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I don't really like shock build. And you are astral build but took wob and the damage rubies but not the cast time rubies. So basically you wont be using it much cause even with mana reduction rubies is a mana killer

Zitat von »Zhankou«

I have always been Pyro build, but the fact you have to stand still constantly to make things happen is a no go for me this time.

Actually, for a choke build you have to stand in place even longer for the 8s channel.

I've spent like... few hours bashing on the level 60 (boss) dummy yesterday with different builds and here's what I noticed.

This is with mostly crafted level 58 epics:

Difference between pyro and Choke/Venom build is around 7k (Pyro build never falls below 45k dps, choke/venom never falls below 38k when standing still - mind you, this is without taking 9% Astral Damage rubies in the Pyro build). Difference would likely be smaller in a real bossfight if you account for spamming Erase Memory under Temporal Acceleration under 30% target HP. And even more so if you stack Brutality. If you don't get to cast choke with venom build and just use Venom/Destab, it's around 34-35k consistent.

Other differences I noticed:

-for choke/venom didn't notice any difference at all switching between r2 and r3 venom, not even 1k. Likely it's less than that.
-"shocking strike" is really very bad investment for 3 rubies. Venom is around 30% of your damage so 0.12*0.3 = 3.6% increase while 'Moral Trauma" is always 6% minimum. Usually 8%. This is consistent with what I saw testing with and without shocking strike.
-pyro build capitalizes a lot more on taking "moral trauma" than venom/choke, because moral trauma is pretty much guaranteed to fall off for few seconds while you channel choke (moral trauma still trumps shocking strike everytime accounting for that in choke/venom build).
-choke/venom build is really screwed if you are unlucky on concentration gain (dps falls down a lot) while pyro is far less affected.

Also I wouldn't do a PvE build without Telepathic Gift or Exodus.

You'd increase single target dps by removing astral curse and shocking strike and going trough solid grasp to moral trauma.

Zitat von »Zhankou«

How realistic is standing still nowadays in new Astral? I hear it was alot about moving so then Venom is superior to Pyro.

Pyro is only significantly worse only if you have to move long enough for Pyrophrenia stacks to fall off (20s). This long movement is a rare case and always have been. You can still drag psychic shock r1 to your bar and cast it on movement, it stacks concentration.

Not sure if I made the impression I wanted to: difference between those builds is small, unless you're wiping on 1-5% on some bosses you should not be concerned.

Zitat von »Zhankou«

EDIT:
Your running something along these lines Dala?
http://pts.allodswiki.ru/calc#!6!113..3.…ITN!edd/UYHDVUD

For pyro, something like this:

http://pts.allodswiki.ru/calc#!6!113..31…gecnodd/UYHDVUD

For choke/venom, something like this:

http://pts.allodswiki.ru/calc#!6!223...1…enyfsdd/UYHDVUD

Those are what I did the tests with.

The thing about spamming erase memory, I clearly meant only in the case of choke/venom because in the pyro build I don't have the crit rubies for it. That's why it contributes to making the difference between builds even smaller.

Zitat von »Zhankou«

Choke / venom / desta vs venom/desta, u didnt notice any difference? Could u care to explain further?

Venom/Desta is pretty much always inferior to that + choke. You don't build specifically for Venom/Desta. It's just last resort when you have to move so much you don't get to cast choke.

Zitat von »Zhankou«

EDIT3:
I also thought, in case of Pyro (when moving), u could take r3/3 of the dragon tear skill, since its instant cast and good dmg.

Differences between r2/r3 aren't that big for most skills since the 3.0.4 revamp, but differences between r1 and r2 are significant. I personally think r2 Thoughtful spirit is must have, r3 is overkill.

Edit: Making a choke/pyro build would be rather hard (short on rubies), but if they turn the servers on before my droplet is gone, I'll try testing it too.

Okay, tested choke/pyro and with the amount of rubies I have at the moment I cannot make it better than just pure pyro. No way I can get it done without sacrificing Moral Trauma and without, it's actually 2-3k dps worse while adding complexity to the rotation. This is what I used:

http://pts.allodswiki.ru/calc#!6!113..31…TN!ocbp/UYHDVUD

Another thing I tried, is making a hybrid that would not suffer from movement that much and at the same time do very good while standing still. Since rubies like astral curse or Tranqulity are rather bad, I cut on those and made this:

http://pts.allodswiki.ru/calc#!6!213..31…okbnodd/UYHDVUD

It loses nothing for single target that I had before and should do way better while moving.

Zitat von »Zhankou«

EDIT3:
Rotation, what do you use Dala?
In previous patch, i tried to rotate pyro, pyro, desta (6 sec duration of dot) and repeat, pyro, pyro, desta.
Also because if u use pyro, desta, pyro, desta , u have to wait a mili second before u can trigger desta.
What did you do? Its again something worth testing.

2 pyro 1 destab, when I get temporal acceleration ready, I just use that and spam pyro all the way until it ends.

Zitat von »Zhankou«

EDIT4:
Another topic worthy of discussing, To get 3 stacks of concentration before launching TA or not. Or just go with what u have.

Never really thought about it or did it, but looking at the tooltip and considering DoT it still actually pays off to cast a Destabilization over a 50% faster pyro with a guaranteed double hit. Definitely pays off to get 3 stack of concentration before and actually cast destabilization while temporal acceleration is active.

Edit: if you have at least rank 2 Concentration with rubies, it will be ready every time Temporal Acceleration is ready, so you can guarantee to have 3 stacks every time.

Hey guys.. Im starting again AO.. I played long time ago. Could i ask for some early good PvE build with talents and rubies if u dont matter?

Thx in advance

PD: btw im gibb seer

I would sugest something like this:
http://en.allodswiki.ru/calc#!6!333...11…!eldomc/AZHDVUD

If you don't have this much rubies, you can skip Enthusiasm (3rd tree), bcz it increase vitality now which you can get from items too, and Mental fortress (2nd tree) which gives only willpower increase, and it's a stat not that much needed for pve.

Ofc i dont hv that much rubies xD im lvl 9 atm and... sadly already hv 1 talent on pyro u.U i'll hv to deal with it

Thx 4 the fast reply

Zitat von »SΛΤΗΩ«

If you don't have this much rubies, you can skip Enthusiasm (3rd tree), bcz it increase vitality now which you can get from items too, and Mental fortress (2nd tree) which gives only willpower increase, and it's a stat not that much needed for pve.

Enthusiasm increases Brutality which is pretty significant, I would not skip that. Mind Bender increases Vitality so you can take it on r1 just to get to Enthusiasm from the bottom. Also shocking strike is a very weak ruby. Better take Aura of Astral Power instead, it's one of the best damage for points spent early in the game, I'd go first 4 rubies 1 unending knowledge then 3 aura.

For real "speed levelling" (especially if you happen to be on p2p with slow or no mount) you definitely want Exodus, it saves tons of time when used correctly throughout whole levelling process.

Zitat von »unacuenta«

Ofc i dont hv that much rubies xD im lvl 9 atm and... sadly already hv 1 talent on pyro u.U i'll hv to deal with it

Thx 4 the fast reply

You can reset your talents and rubies for free until level 15.

Yep already saw that thx

Btw im new here, so i wasnt on p2p.. So i'll keep in mind to get exodus xD

Zitat von »Dala«

Zitat von »SΛΤΗΩ«

If you don't have this much rubies, you can skip Enthusiasm (3rd tree), bcz it increase vitality now which you can get from items too, and Mental fortress (2nd tree) which gives only willpower increase, and it's a stat not that much needed for pve.

Enthusiasm increases Brutality which is pretty significant, I would not skip that. Mind Bender increases Vitality so you can take it on r1 just to get to Enthusiasm from the bottom. Also shocking strike is a very weak ruby. Better take Aura of Astral Power instead, it's one of the best damage for points spent early in the game, I'd go first 4 rubies 1 unending knowledge then 3 aura.

True, I've mixed those two