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Before saying it is viable and arguing that point, perhaps you could go to Astral - a hard sector like S7 or S14 - and provide DPS and HPS screen shots, showing your gear and runes and that of the party so your point becomes valid.

Maybe Dracias and Auto have made a mistake and overlooked something but posting a build and stating some things without facts don't really prove anything.

As Dracias said, sure if you wanna play the game on your own and just farm, it's probably fine. Post the above and lets see if you are correct that it'll be good in Astral or similar.

Quoted from "kite64"

serously? i was hardly able to handle 3 mobs on me at once as acid now i can pull 5-6 mobs at once with out dieing and down them just as fast as if i was acid, so my question is how is it nothing? the aoe dps is great, the healing is great, and i'm loving the spec

thank you for providing me another good laugh.

i can handle 10-15 mobs on me, and the only healing i have is renewal r1, so idk why you even mention the amount of mobs
saying "aoe dps is great" in a build with BANSHEE instead of CADAVER...
saying "healing is great" in a build w/o healing rubies...

now i understand, why US guilds didnt down Tep...

Quoted from "kite64"

@dala: i was never part of the eu comminuty nor am i a troll. just people are idiots and to blind to clearly see that vamp dps could actually be viable.

Understand that those people are bleeding edge endgamers and they got the resources for it. When they raid - they spec for raids, when they pvp - they spec for pvp, when they farm - they spec for farming. Us, mortals "down here" cannot afford to do it as re-spec in Allods is wildly expensive. Best strategy you can take is to spec for what you do the most, so you do it the best possible and just "suck up" being subpar in all other aspects until you get the resources, this is not a casual MMO, it is brutal.

You make me chill man You think that I feel a need to be called "the best" summoner by anyone? I think proved my skills in the game long enough to let others judge me however they want, but since for you Im an idiot I will leave this discussion here cause this was enough for me. Oh and one more thing, I will stay active on this forum as long as the game is still alive since I have alot of friends here and no1 said that i might not come back in some time.

Have fun with your build once again

My dad is stronger than urs kkk.

In my opinion it's great that you found help with a build, tried it out, liked it and can say that you're satisfied. Later in the game you might and will probably need to change the build after you see how are other summoners performing, no big deal. Just like Dracias initially said, that build is good for leveling and farming on a casual level, maybe lower astral sectors. I'm not saying he is wrong, but he surely isn't a troll or a noob. I think that in this case your ignorance and first impression of the European community is what made all of this fuss. Maybe Dracias sounded arrogant in his reply, but he surely knows what he's talking about. Well you can see his rank 1 titles from a seasonly event called Mausoleum of Sparks in the signature for starters

All classes and all builds are more viable than others in specific situations. The developers knew this. Why do you think greatness allows second build? There is nothing wrong with doing something different than what others believe is the best. In fact, a lot of the previous winning PMB entries usually have something included along the lines of "Customize to your own needs". The issue here is that most of the folks here instead of criticizing his build, you dissed it. This is a game we all love to play and enjoy. It's not a competition to see who has the bigger gun. We should all work together instead of dissing one another's countries and such. The childish bickering will be the death of this game, if nothing else. :\

Quoted from "Fraust"

This is a game we all love to play and enjoy. It's not a competition to see who has the bigger gun.

That's exactly what it's about - who has the bigger gun. At least that's the developers' intention. Just look how competitive it is at the top level - people have to do Astral, gather resources to upgrade gear and participate in the Dominion every week or their guild goes down in the ranking table and someone who improved more than them goes up.

i still think neither of the one critizining the build has played summoner after remake, u just think vamp has 20 sec cd and never bother to look at what rubies actually do

and if anyone says something is bad without ever trying then you are like he said no offence

im from EU but this is 1st time i play on a EU because of this kind of drama, feel free to check my damage and gear in skimishes, Fireofdeath

Ok, this thread is hilarious. Everyone's got some valid points which you would notice if you posted something without saying "troll" or "noob".

Firstly, Dracias - dragonskv8 - and Autopsyst are both ridiculously good endgame summies, and they both understand that focus is incredibly useful in designing a build. A build that tries to do more than one thing will never be as good at any of them as a build that only has 1 purpose (single-target dps build will always outdps a straight acid AoE build etc).

Secondly, buying a DoD for bugger all each week is the easiest thing in the world and for next to nothing each week you get an many respecs as you want, to make the best builds you can. I know people without greatness doing that and being OP as shit.

Thirdly, I agree with those people saying that the hybrid build might be ok with farming and really easy endgame stuff, but if you try an go anything where you have to be awake, you will explode inside your own Aegis. As DPS, you won't have enough damage to down the mobs fast enough in DPS race fights, as healer you won't be able to do enough heals to make a difference. And in the harder astrals (s6-7, s13-14), it's practically mandatory to have 2 FHs anyway, whether they're summy or healer, which means that they should have the heals covered, and your role should be single-target DPS and emergency cc with DP. It's fine if you want to float through a s2 astral, but attempt anything more difficult and you're setting yourself up for lost keys.

Lastly, I can guarantee that a lot of the people posting here have done extensive testing to determine what builds are good for what purposes, myself included. If we say hybrid builds are bad, it's probably because we tried it and it failed miserably. My experience with hybrid acid/vamp builds is that they can often leave a lot to be desired unless you're very careful with them. There are 2 CD rubies for vamp. One will totally disable acid bolt which, if you're going for a hybrid build is a non-starter. The second set of rubies decreases the CD of vamp based on the number of times you use acid bolt. That can be viable in something like a raid or an astral where you're primarily single target. However in an AoE solo farming situation, you want to be moving around a lot so the mobs can't focus down your squishy ass, at least without hellion support. Without a hellion, I would recommend against a farming build that tries to hybridize acid and vamp builds. A straight-up vamp build, with blood tap rubies for mana regen, mana saving rubies and plenty of DoTs, VI and HoD for damage would be my recommendation for the build you're trying to create.

Why ur asking for advice if u dont accept the answers?

They destroyed healing with this patch. I already habe problems as Fullheal. How u wanna be useful in group with this little heal??? U just could jeal urself a bit, useless for any astral... For DPS u habe maybe acceptable AOE but no single-target dps. But the bosses are often the HARDER ones.
With last patch i would say offheal is possible but now its nearly useless.

If u wanna go Vamp full DPS every acid build would do more DMG and costs less mana

I don't know much about summoners but I just wanted to point out something:
@kite64
Dracias and some other people might have been a bit rude while they tried to point out their opinion I know but just an advice you'll find many people with that same attitude sometimes and instead of bashing them back and talking offensively back you should try to calm down the situation like if someone says noob or whatever you can reply back and say that you respect that one and you expect them to respect you back..Simple as that if someone is acting in an offensive and kinda uncivilized way then reply back in kind..Trust me this make most people get ashamed and say sorry after for their bad attitude and actually some of them have such attitude unintentionally..We all have real life problems etc and get stressed and that affects our comments so always keep in mind that arguing on a forum isn't worth it..On the other hand, I can tell you no build is completely perfect <.< even mine for bards haha but you can keep developing your build by using the information other people try to offer you to reach even a better build..I was satisfied with my PVE build like quite satisfied but I didn't find that enough and I kept developing it by the help of Sailoryue and other bards like Opera for example and kept accumulating more and more info about bards till I could develop my build to a semi perfect form in a certain role and still I wanna see some criticizing and more info to upgrade so yea instead of taking what people say offensively,you can always remember this is just a chat on a forum and suck it up and don't take it personally and then ask them to explain their point of view..Trust me you'll never regret it and even if they are being offensive at first if your attitude is still fine,they'll feel ashamed and say sorry..Lol it happened to me a lot in game.Reaah is my friend in game and I did wellebelle farm before with her and her DPS was good on meter..I don't even how her build looks like but judging from level of gear+runes and class I can compare it to many other DPS summoners I saw in astral and I deduce her DPS was something interesting compared to many other DPS summoners yet that doesn't mean her build is the best or perfect even if you're satisfied with it so if I were you I'd just ask dracias nicely to explain his point of view and told him that it would have been appreciated if he talked in a better way and I bet he would have given you some valuable info then you could copy paste both Reaah's build and Dracias and take into consideration many other info from several summoners then go to the allods russian talent calculator and play puzzle..Guaranteed best way to make builds ever though it will take you sometime and effort and once you're done show it to some of your summoner friends and ask them if they wanna criticize it and if they have any additional tips and finally add the final touch to the build and enjoy