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Tuesday, May 13th 2014, 3:36pm

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The thing about it is that this is how the game is meant to be. Sure, being a reincarnate with level 10+ runes does make it unfair to a typical new player but it is the holy land. It's also a war zone. Even says so in the lore. They're are two factions fighting against each other. It's only natural to be a little bias to the opposing faction the same way folks are IRL sports.

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Wednesday, May 14th 2014, 10:53pm

The thing about it is that this is how the game is meant to be. Sure, being a reincarnate with level 10+ runes does make it unfair to a typical new player but it is the holy land. It's also a war zone. Even says so in the lore. They're are two factions fighting against each other. It's only natural to be a little bias to the opposing faction the same way folks are IRL sports.


i totally agree to this post

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Saturday, May 31st 2014, 2:19am

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The thing about it is that this is how the game is meant to be. Sure, being a reincarnate with level 10+ runes does make it unfair to a typical new player but it is the holy land. It's also a war zone. Even says so in the lore. They're are two factions fighting against each other. It's only natural to be a little bias to the opposing faction the same way folks are IRL sports.


i totally agree to this post

+1

I'm sorry, this is just trololol. Let's play games for a few mins.

Put yourself in the shoes of a new player that joins allods and discovers world, game, classes. Imagine him in Asee facing *any* reinc with level 6+ runes and knowledge of their class. Imagine him in Eljune. Then in Coba.
Also, picture him grinding mobs coz, ah fuck, he's only level 35 when quests need lvl 37. And then, omg, i'm 41 when Kirah needs 42. And geez, i'm 58 and have no more quests to 60. That's too bad coz sooooo many people told me game starts at 60.

Now imagine him finally level 60 (don't ask me how). He joins a guild, low level one, coz fuck, high levels need runes & CS items. He goes BG and gets 1-shotted. Nvm, he'll gear up. But ah ye, even if you upgrade gears, you'll need those CS items to keep up, even low tier ones. He checks prices on AH. Even if his heart survives the blow, his brain will say "run from here. I want to have fun. Not grind for month just to be able to have a chance".

And then you wonder why this game is dying ?

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Saturday, May 31st 2014, 3:37am

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I'm sorry, this is just trololol. Let's play games for a few mins.

Put yourself in the shoes of a new player that joins allods and discovers world, game, classes. Imagine him in Asee facing *any* reinc with level 6+ runes and knowledge of their class. Imagine him in Eljune. Then in Coba.
Also, picture him grinding mobs coz, ah fuck, he's only level 35 when quests need lvl 37. And then, omg, i'm 41 when Kirah needs 42. And geez, i'm 58 and have no more quests to 60. That's too bad coz sooooo many people told me game starts at 60.

Now imagine him finally level 60 (don't ask me how). He joins a guild, low level one, coz fuck, high levels need runes & CS items. He goes BG and gets 1-shotted. Nvm, he'll gear up. But ah ye, even if you upgrade gears, you'll need those CS items to keep up, even low tier ones. He checks prices on AH. Even if his heart survives the blow, his brain will say "run from here. I want to have fun. Not grind for month just to be able to have a chance".

And then you wonder why this game is dying ?



I'm sorry, but this is extremely off topic. Not so much as trolling as it is crying over spilled milk. We all have it rough at certain levels. That happens in any game you may play. But there is one thing you mentioned that caught my attention. "Have a chance" Is that what you think end game is? Nothing but PVP? It's no wonder you feel the way you do. Unfortunately, all I can say is this game is most certainly not pay to win and I would explain the reasons why it isn't but I've done that quite a few times on other threads already. Feel free to check my posts there.

Oh, well, just look.

The gear. Nothing changes about it. CS players don't get special gear. They get the very same stuff we do. The ONLY difference is that CS players tend to get said gear much quicker and before other non CS players. Simple, right? Think it over.

This game is far from dying. I believe it has already died and is making a comeback. The developers are making major changes to improve the overall experience. Some like it, some don't. You can't make everyone happy. The way I see it, the only thing dying here is your positive experience in the game. Negativity has a way of doing that you know. Constantly complaining, upset when you have to work hard and others didn't. Then you had to grind. What monstrosity could have possibly done this to you? You get my point. I'm sure you're a decent player that has lost their interest in the game. Just because it dies, doesn't mean the game is or will die any time soon. With that said, good luck in all your future endeavors and happy hunting!

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Saturday, May 31st 2014, 9:54am

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But there is one thing you mentioned that caught my attention. "Have a chance" Is that what you think end game is? Nothing but PVP? It's no wonder you feel the way you do.
And this caught my attention. But the truth is, a new player with, say.. full level 3 runes might try going astral in the first week of reaching level 60. I doubt he would find a party for even the weakest sectors. In empire I haven't seen a single s1-3 recruitment message in zone for a long while, have you? I know people go there in league, but minimum runes that the party leader approves usually is full 4. I've been there 2 years ago, people didn't like my runes, so please do not comment on it because that's how it is and you can't change it. Then the full level 3 player asks how much time/gold he needs to upgrade his runes, turns out it's almost 2 weeks of farming just to experience end game content with less worries of what others think of him. The second option would be going alone or with someone who doesn't judge the person from his rune level and take a bunch of mercs. Mercenaries also depend on the strength of runes so they will perform worse if a player has lower runes and it comes out as a turn off for the player because he doesn't gain enough gold to do more than a few astral runs with mercenaries per week. I hope this helps you get a point of view of an older player, because that thing about being selective was a really important issue when I started going astral with full level 4 runes on lvl 47 patch. Back then I spent weeks before I could properly go astral and even then it was a pain because every sector was almost the same difficulty, unlike now. Not to mention the mercenaries weren't around at that time.
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Sunday, June 1st 2014, 2:38am

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And this caught my attention. But the truth is, a new player with, say.. full level 3 runes might try going astral in the first week of reaching level 60. I doubt he would find a party for even the weakest sectors. In empire I haven't seen a single s1-3 recruitment message in zone for a long while, have you? I know people go there in league, but minimum runes that the party leader approves usually is full 4. I've been there 2 years ago, people didn't like my runes, so please do not comment on it because that's how it is and you can't change it. Then the full level 3 player asks how much time/gold he needs to upgrade his runes, turns out it's almost 2 weeks of farming just to experience end game content with less worries of what others think of him. The second option would be going alone or with someone who doesn't judge the person from his rune level and take a bunch of mercs. Mercenaries also depend on the strength of runes so they will perform worse if a player has lower runes and it comes out as a turn off for the player because he doesn't gain enough gold to do more than a few astral runs with mercenaries per week. I hope this helps you get a point of view of an older player, because that thing about being selective was a really important issue when I started going astral with full level 4 runes on lvl 47 patch. Back then I spent weeks before I could properly go astral and even then it was a pain because every sector was almost the same difficulty, unlike now. Not to mention the mercenaries weren't around at that time.



How many times must I repeat myself? The game is what you make of it. Which means you've got your own experience of the game, and speaking from that experience, have become shortsighted of the game in its entirety. People didn't like your runes? I know plenty of players that are very powerful that didn't diss on people about their gear or how much cash they have in their pocket. If it had been me, I would have steered clear of folks like that. But it seems you didn't. Who's fault is that? Right, no one's but your own. But don't get me wrong, I'm sure you're a wonderful player and you are in fact in one of the top guilds in the game. They also may have requirements similar to what you described. But saying that the game is your experience instead of what the game actually offers is a little biased.

yes, the mercs can be quite a pain to players. But I've done some major testing on them when it comes to level and runes. Albeit I haven't tested while using Animality potion, but the results were clear. The level difference was devastating. But the runes, it was minor. And it only applied to the person hiring the mercs. But then you say, wait, we were going to split the cost of mercs. Well, you can easily trade the gold to the person hiring the mercs before or after the run. And if you don't trust that player enough to do either, then you probably shouldn't be raiding with said person(s) in the first place.

And as always, continue to strive to the top. But try not to step on heads on your way up. ;)

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Sunday, June 1st 2014, 7:58am

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Honestly, your un-biased point of view isn't really helping the "returning players" at all. How do you think the new/returning player feels after reading this forum and all the responses by both sides: 1. you telling that there is still hope and that a person with lvl 3 runes can go astral alone with mercs without little-to-none trouble, and 2. the vast majority of players with negative responses about the game but telling how it really is?

The new players don't need theory, they need practical advice about coming back. Grinding gold this patch is a total hell time wise and new players really wouldn't bother with doing that just to enjoy endgame after a month of farming for the essentials.

Experience and a biased point of view is what they ask and from your responses it seems that you do not have any idea about gearing up in previous patches to provide an answer they would consider valuable so let me fill you in on this one. In every previous patch the upgrading process seemed way faster, or at least limited in other factors than amalgam or gold. Aside the tedious farm for amalgams, they now need twice as much of a deadly dull gold farm for gearing process, too!
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Sunday, June 1st 2014, 11:03pm

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[...] when you have to work hard and others didn't. Then you had to grind. What monstrosity could have possibly done this to you? You get my point. I'm sure you're a decent player that has lost their interest in the game. Just because it dies, doesn't mean the game is or will die any time soon. With that said, good luck in all your future endeavors and happy hunting!
My post was from a new player point of view. I'm in allods for 2 years and happy about my fate, since luckily i don't care about pvp & only want to level my char & gear, and so far able to do so.
But, from what i've seen, this game hasn't been able to catch much new players lately, because of all the grind - or cash - needed, we say the same here. Grind as hell and forgot fun for a long while or pay bucks to have some. Not many players are willing to do this, and that's why we end up with apps leaving between 30-40 and always lower level of populations on servers.
They did all the merges they can do. We'll see what future brings and maybe talk in 6 month or a year ? That is, if you're still in the game.

Also, + to Luke :)

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Monday, June 2nd 2014, 4:37am

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Why don't you guys get back on topic. Most everyone knows what this game is like already as far as CS'n us to death. Dang all the new people have to do is read the review's in some of the places that list all the mmo's.

I have been around since before this game was all about CS and Asee has always been the make it or break it zone. You either quit the game or brave through the storm. It was before the emblems of justice came out and you were being ganked by the level 40's. Asee was full of them. This is how one would get their judge ruby quick. You never were able to travel through the SoP's, get a 10% extra bonus for having them all capped and you had to walk everywhere because mounts didn't exist. Oh and lets not forget about the fear of death debuff you would get if you died. Unless you had a high level babysitter it took you damn near a month to get out of Asee and almost every quest you did flagged you. Going through Asee now a days is a piece of cake and I know this because I got my engineer out of Asee in a couple of hours with lig banners flying everywhere.

Learn to work around the things you don't like about Asee or don't bother leveling a toon/incarn.

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Monday, June 2nd 2014, 6:30am

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Yeah I agree with Amber, back in the early days Asee was true hell. Each day 1-2 max level players scanning the map for opposite faction newcommers. To be honest back then leveling was much more fun and danger based, nowadays as I mentioned before it's a total grindfest single player game. And that's only one of the reasons we don't get any new players.

P.S. This thread can be locked because the OP questions have been solved even before my p2w mumbo jumbo.
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Monday, June 2nd 2014, 6:37am

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I try to keep a neutral view. Providing advice from any other point of view will project your experience to the player. What you think of it. Without giving the player a free roam exploration of what they game has to offer. Some players have no problem with the game, some just like to complain while others are flipping tables. Also, I never said I was trying to encourage the player to come back, but was only saying that we shouldn't be discouraging to them. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean the next person will. And spreading negative influence will only serve to further ruin the experience the returning player would have if he even comes back after seeing all the negativity. This game could be one of the best things to happen to some people, and if they go by all the negative advice they may not have a chance to experience it at all as some would take your word for it. How's that fair to anyone? Obviously, there's nothing wrong with providing your opinion, but, well, ever heard that old saying that goes something like "if you don't got nothing nice to say then don't say nothing"? All I'm saying is that if everyone plays with good hopes the game has better chance of improving. Just like with coaching. Would you work hard to please people who were rude and mean or would you prefer to improve the game for a people who encourage with helpful tips and constructive criticism? Just trying to be a little optimistic. Lol.

But happy hunting!

EDIT: sorry for wall of text. :/

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Monday, June 2nd 2014, 11:14pm

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Again, why cant you actually stay on topic. Asee/contested zones is the topic not encouraging or discouraging people about the game.



Edited to add:

Marks of Fate are available. If you don't like the zones save them for the zones you just cant stand to actually quest in.

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Monday, June 2nd 2014, 11:49pm

you know i actually like gankers but i like them when i am in asee teph killing all leagues and after 2 or 3 lvl 60 come and helps them to take portals :)) is funny to see how much fail this gankers get .. only yesterday a 60 was having 14 staks oif justice :)) but serious .. devs just test something just put - 150 k mira for ho ever kills a low level and after we will see if he will kill someone knowing he will lose about 1,7 k gold for each kill
good idea, tell me when u are online so i can go with my 59 reinc to WH/DF, instant win since i can hold cannon forever, no one will dare to kill me

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Tuesday, June 3rd 2014, 3:44am

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Again, why cant you actually stay on topic. Asee/contested zones is the topic not encouraging or discouraging people about the game.



Edited to add:

Marks of Fate are available. If you don't like the zones save them for the zones you just cant stand to actually quest in.

yeah, like you've never been off-topic before on many other occasions. Pssh

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