Semi-New Player Considering Paying Sub, Just One Question

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Tuesday, May 12th 2015, 10:17am

Flaffee

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Hello. I'm considering returning to this game with a friend of mine and am looking at the P2P server to do so. (Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask ahead of time.) My friend and I aren't really interested in PvP for the most part, he is more than I am but it's still not that big of a deal for him. I see that P2P has quite a bit of benefits seeing as everyone is equal, which is nice (of course.) But some people kind of imply that 99% of that reasoning stems from the PvP experience. In this case, if referring solely to the PvE experience, is P2P still that much better than F2P? Or if we strictly play PvE, can we avoid all of the shortcomings of F2P?

Thank you for your time. :love:

P.S. Is P2P any more populated than a couple of months ago? I see that it's a big issue but a lot of the threads I came up with during my google searching are pretty old. Both my questions were sort of answered in those threads, kind of, but I'm just looking for a bit of updated clarification.

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Tuesday, May 12th 2015, 10:35am

Viuhti

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Well what can I say. As P2P server player my self ofc I encourage you to try it out!

I'm sure you are aware that F2P server has WAY more population and in terms of raids etc its way better choice. Sure big guilds like Utopie and Avarice are doing raids on weekly basis so its not a problem over here either. ATM I still think League is better populated faction at P2P, but there is a decent amount of regular players at Empire too. I'm afraid I can't give you any specific numbers. PVP is pretty much at its minimum here, we are trying to work popping BGs and we ofc fight in Dominion everyweek so its still there. For stricktly PvE, I don't see any reason why you couldn't enjoy all of it at P2P.

Hopefully this answered to something atleast

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Tuesday, May 12th 2015, 10:58am

Flaffee

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Quoted from "Viuhti"

Well what can I say. As P2P server player my self ofc I encourage you to try it out! I'm sure you are aware that F2P server has WAY more population and in terms of raids etc its way better choice. Sure big guilds like Utopie and Avarice are doing raids on weekly basis so its not a problem over here either. ATM I still think League is better populated faction at P2P, but there is a decent amount of regular players at Empire too. I'm afraid I can't give you any specific numbers. PVP is pretty much at its minimum here, we are trying to work popping BGs and we ofc fight in Dominion everyweek so its still there. For stricktly PvE, I don't see any reason why you couldn't enjoy all of it at P2P.

Hopefully this answered to something atleast

Thank you very much for the quick response.

The issues with population are a minor factor for me. As you mentioned, I did read that there were good guilds in P2P already set up and in that case they have their own community within them. I like that kind of setting and would love being a part of it. As for you addressing the PvE aspect, that's probably my major concern. I'm sure you understand why I wouldn't want to spend any amount of money when I have the F2P option only to find the benefits from subbing don't really matter to me as a strictly PvE player for the most part. Such as, in the case that P2P only benefits PvP players and if I only played PvE on F2P I wouldn't even notice the difference between paying or not. But, from what you said and from what I understand, it sounds like the overall progression in P2P is probably better, is that right?
Another thing is mounts. I'm pretty big on them myself and don't mind that maybe I have to wait 20 levels for a mount, that makes sense to me. I'm mentioning this because I think the only thing I ever spent money on when playing F2P was a mount, granted I didn't get far in the game, but that shows you what I prioritized.

If I'm right, buying 20 bucks worth the sub for Allods vs. playing F2P and buying a mount and like items with irl cash, paying the sub is the better of those two? I'm not sure I remember correctly but do mounts need pet food bought from the item mall on F2P? Lastly, I really liked the mount I got last time, it was a rhino with a bedroll or something on its back, is that available P2P? And are costumes not available at all on P2P? (I saw someone saying that and it surprised me a bit.)

Hopefully you can stick through that without being confused. Thanks.

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Tuesday, May 12th 2015, 11:08am

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Quoted from "Flaffee"

If I'm right, buying 20 bucks worth the sub for Allods vs. playing F2P and buying a mount and like items with irl cash, paying the sub is the better of those two? I'm not sure I remember correctly but do mounts need pet food bought from the item mall on F2P? Lastly, I really liked the mount I got last time, it was a rhino with a bedroll or something on its back, is that available P2P? And are costumes not available at all on P2P?

Mounts can be bought for gold from NPC's after you reach certain levels. f2p mounts require food for full speed, p2p do not. I think those rhinos are still available through some vendor, they used to be drops in astral. In addition to rhinos you can get other mounts as drops from astral and raids.

edit: Oh and a big bunch of the available costumes can be bought from NPC for anniversary coins.

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Tuesday, May 12th 2015, 11:08am

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you can buy mount feed through the in game mall but there is also a daily quest that you can do that gives you 10 mount feeds

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Tuesday, May 12th 2015, 11:14am

Viuhti

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Uff where to being... let's see how this goes on I might end up confusing this even more

I personally think P2P tops F2P in terms of PvE. I my self was softcore f2per, and as result getting into a group was hard enough so I really can't be objective on this perspective

but in p2p I have not encountered this problem. Only thing that matters is the inviduals skills and abilities to work in a group, gears or experience on game in general doesn't matter at all in most cases. We "experienced" players are here to help and guide everyone into the game leaving aside those things which might have been a issue on F2P (NOT starting any war on this comment this is ONLY my own reasoning and mostly also result of mostly playing with a small group of friends!) I can't help you about that mount thing since I can't say for sure if I know the mount you are talking about

. But we don't need to Level up mounts of feed them at all at P2P. But costumes are very much available at P2P too. You can get bunch of costumes for Anniversary Coins found through the game, and of course raid gives us costume boxes too.
Some of the questions were answered in previous posts too

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Tuesday, May 12th 2015, 11:28am

Flaffee

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Quoted from "Deliverance"

Mounts can be bought for gold from NPC's after you reach certain levels. f2p mounts require food for full speed, p2p do not. I think those rhinos are still available through some vendor, they used to be drops in astral. In addition to rhinos you can get other mounts as drops from astral and raids.

edit: Oh and a big bunch of the available costumes can be bought from NPC for anniversary coins.

Thanks for clarifying on that. I appreciate it.

It sounds to me that P2P might be cheaper in the end based on the fact you can buy the things I'm interested in when it comes to item shops in general for just gold in P2P.

Quoted from "skullskaldy"

you can buy mount feed through the in game mall but there is also a daily quest that you can do that gives you 10 mount feeds

Thanks for reminding me. Totally forgot about those daily quests.

Quoted from "Viuhti"

Uff where to being... let's see how this goes on I might end up confusing this even more
I personally think P2P tops F2P in terms of PvE. I my self was softcore f2per, and as result getting into a group was hard enough so I really can't be objective on this perspective but in p2p I have not encountered this problem. Only thing that matters is the inviduals skills and abilities to work in a group, gears or experience on game in general doesn't matter at all in most cases. We "experienced" players are here to help and guide everyone into the game leaving aside those things which might have been a issue on F2P (NOT starting any war on this comment this is ONLY my own reasoning and mostly also result of mostly playing with a small group of friends!) I can't help you about that mount thing since I can't say for sure if I know the mount you are talking about . But we don't need to Level up mounts of feed them at all at P2P But costumes are very much available at P2P too. You can get bunch of costumes for Anniversary Coins found through the game, and of course raid gives us costume boxes too.
Some of the questions were answered in previous posts too

Thanks for the second reply, you addressed all my questions. :love:

Since I'll be playing with a friend, I think for the most part the early parts of the game should be easy no matter what. But if you've got a guild that's active and friendly, I don't think the population issue on P2P is really too much of a hindrance, assuming it's not THAT underpopulated.
And yeah, I've only ever paid subs for two games and not for very long. Of course the prices asked for on Allods are much cheaper so it's easier for me to consider doing it. I mean 90 days > 20 bucks, that's pretty good. To me it comes down to simply this: if I played F2P, I would get a mount and a mount costs around the same amount for 30 days of game time when I could get a lot of other stuff within that 30 days other than one mount, most likely. In that case, there's no questions to be had there.

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Tuesday, May 12th 2015, 11:33am

Viuhti

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Glad I could help. In the end it comes down to your own preferences and opinions. Both servers have their pros and cons and one would be stupid to deny that. But out of the two its likely that every player is able to find just the right server for them selves. You can find plenty of usefull information on both servers around the forums and there will probably be alot of things that I didn't remember to say that might help you to make your decision.

All I can say: I went to P2P just to see it, I left my guild at f2p and turned to p2p alone at that moment and never regretted a moment. Ofc it helps that later some of them decided to follow me (Rosbian, Deliverance and Roinatan <3). I wish I see you and your friend at P2P, nevermind which faction you decide to join, everyone is welcome to Smugglers Paradise!

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Tuesday, May 12th 2015, 12:16pm

Dala

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I'll try to answer objectively even though I'd rather see f2p burned down and everyone moved over to p2p

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I'm considering returning to this game

Since you said "returning" there, I assume you got some sort of character on the f2p already, also I assume you want to get as far as possible in PvE.

Previous posters said most of the important things, however there's one limitation of p2p they didn't mention:

Final bosses of the most up-to-date raids are extremely difficult on p2p - to the point that Eclipse final boss (level 60) was not cleared on the Russian p2p when actual max level was 60. To give you even better picture, Russian p2p server is VERY populated, much more than both international servers combined and therefore has many more good players and guilds attempting raids.

Even mid-tier bosses are very challenging (can speak from experience on that one

).

Considering above facts, you still need to take into account you won't experience even mid-tier bosses on the f2p if you don't have at least full level 7 runes and patronage level 5 on your character. So where you experience more PvE content objectively depends on how much you already got or are willing to spend on getting on the f2p.

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Tuesday, May 12th 2015, 12:47pm

Flaffee

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Quoted from "Dala"

I'll try to answer objectively even though I'd rather see f2p burned down and everyone moved over to p2p

Thank you for that.

I noticed there seems to be quite a bit of hostility between P2P and F2P at least on the forums and it usually ends up with a lot of jumbled arguing.

To answer, yes, I did play at some point. I wouldn't consider myself real familiar with the game, I got 20+ but it was a really long time ago. I played before then too but for an even shorter period of time.

Again, I appreciate you pointing this out to me since I had no idea it was like this at all, seeing as I never took part in it. I'm assuming the conditions you mentioned for F2P mid-tier bosses have to be bought with money, though, is that correct?

See, the problem is that I think a lot of those kinds of things (assuming they are bought) on top of the more "meager" items like costumes or cool mounts, would end up costing me more than just the sub. I'm kind of a casual player, so to me, achieving those things ASAP is not that big of a deal - but spending that kind of money to achieve those things is different. The main issue is that the friend I'll be playing with cannot afford to spend that kind of money for those kinds of items at all. He could manage 20 every 3 months, I believe, and so could I most definitely. But the item shop, as per usual, usually results in a large amount of accumulated spending over time. You probably know how it is.

While I'm not fond it, I usually end up doing it and I'd rather not. Especially if the posters on other threads are being serious when they list how much they spent playing f2p, it's a lot more than I could ever have a clean conscience spending, lol.

So I guess I should narrow it down to a more casual PvE experience when asking this question. If it still seems as if P2P would be a better experience for me than F2P in that case, I'd rather go P2P. My own doubts had to do with whether or not the only benefit to P2P was the PvP balancing due to lack of a P2W item mall. Like I said, I don't care for PvP much at all. So if the only benefits to being P2P was better PvP, obviously I could go F2P. However, based on the info given to me it seems like P2P has a bit more than just balancing PvP because I wouldn't spend as much money or be inclined to buy item (a) then (b) and (c) and so forth just to keep up, you catch my drift.

Again, any advice is welcome. So if I've misunderstood anything, correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.

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Tuesday, May 12th 2015, 12:53pm

Dala

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Quoted from "Flaffee"

Again, I appreciate you pointing this out to me since I had no idea it was like this at all, seeing as I never took part in it. I'm assuming the conditions you mentioned for F2P mid-tier bosses have to be bought with money, though, is that correct?

Yes, runes level 7 and patronage 5. They have to be bought with money and are pretty much a requirement to enter current raids. That's in addition to basic gear.

On p2p basic gear is the only requirement.

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Tuesday, May 12th 2015, 12:57pm

Flaffee

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Quoted from "Dala"

Yes, runes level 7 and patronage 5. They have to be bought with money and are pretty much a requirement to enter current raids. That's in addition to basic gear.

On p2p basic gear is the only requirement.

Well, I think that about sums it up. I don't know the exact cost of those items and how much it would end up total, but I'm sure it'd cost me more than 20 bucks throughout a 90 day period. :huh:

Again, thanks for the helpful info. Now I at least know what to expect.

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Tuesday, May 12th 2015, 2:11pm

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Well for upgrading gear now you need either cinabar , amalgam or realgar . Cinabar is useless .

Due to low pop on P2P and low numbers of guild , even if your guild is classed last on dominion (Don't need to do pvp just register) you can get for a blue tabard around 6 realgars per week or around 1.8 for a red one. When on f2p thoses amounts are harshely winned. (Our last guild is classed sixth and is a one man guild). Realgar being the top tier upgrading reagent.

For amalgam , either you do pvp either you get it at pve activities. Or you can buy it for free traders coins , an amalgam is around 50 coins so you don't really need to worry about that.

You can add to that a permanent 30% xp bonus , that make leveling easier , respec with gold (around 8k gold for level 65), And finally a sympatic communauty without all thoses guys who like to show off theirs skills due to the size of theirs wallets. At level 15 if you're in a guild you can ask someone to become best friend with you so he can lend you a mount , Help you for bosses. We do GT runs to help you get a 40 slots bag.

And finally remember that because we're low populated , each player count.

P.s for argument between P2P and F2P , I think lots of people are still enraged to have discovered that without runes and all theirs CS items they were very bad at pvp on P2P. For our side , Seeing someone that spend 50€+ in a mount that will be obsolete in 2-3 monts make us kind of desperate of them. You add to that some people (Perhaps he will come on that thread) that try to send p2p interested players into f2p doing that directly on p2p threads , and yeah we'll have some arguments.

For the runes level 7 , a mount and pat 5 i think someone said 150€ , you can add to that pvp mounts , Second earing , loot pets , talents /rubies/skills scrolls , if you wanna be competitive . We got all the later by default on p2p

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Tuesday, May 12th 2015, 6:04pm

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I kinda skimmed through this post so I apologize if I missed the obvious, but have you chose a faction yet?

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Tuesday, May 12th 2015, 6:17pm

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in case you havent read it, i recommend my "pro and contra" thread

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where you can see the advantages and disadvantages of the subscriptionserver
also, for your friend that you mentioned who cant / is not willing to spend money on the game, there is the option to get gold on free server and buy crystals with it to pay for the subscription

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Tuesday, May 12th 2015, 6:22pm

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in case you havent read it, i recommend my "pro and contra" thread

http://en.allods.com/forum/index.php?pag…d&threadID=7017

where you can see the (Allods Online Player) advantages and disadvantages of the subscriptionserver

It's not necessarily real advantages and disadvantages, just the ones that Allods Online Player views.
You must try it for yourself.
And if you're new, listen to just about anyone on the forum except take everything you read from AOP with a grain of salt.
He is the world's most optimistic person but is tunnel visioned in his views and is incapable of seeing anything but his own views.
No offense, it's not a bad thing for you, personally, it's just that it is a bad thing for everyone that you speak to.
So, make sure you read (preferably experience instead of read) many different views and opinions before making your own.

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Tuesday, May 12th 2015, 9:15pm

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You add to that some people (Perhaps he will come on that thread) that try to send p2p interested players into f2p doing that directly on p2p threads , and yeah we'll have some arguments.

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in case you havent read it, i recommend my "pro and contra" thread

http://en.allods.com/forum/index.php?pag…d&threadID=7017

where you can see the advantages and disadvantages of the subscriptionserver
also, for your friend that you mentioned who cant / is not willing to spend money on the game, there is the option to get gold on free server and buy crystals with it to pay for the subscription

See he came

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Tuesday, May 12th 2015, 11:40pm

Flaffee

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Quoted from "Girbeh"

I kinda skimmed through this post so I apologize if I missed the obvious, but have you chose a faction yet?

Haha, not a big deal. There's a lot of text.

Eh, I think the Gibberlings are real cute so I'm leaning towards the League (I think that's their faction...) but are the cats respective to either faction? I think my friend wants to play them.

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For the runes level 7 , a mount and pat 5 i think someone said 150€ , you can add to that pvp mounts , Second earing , loot pets , talents /rubies/skills scrolls , if you wanna be competitive . We got all the later by default on p2p

While I hate to say I don't know what a lot of what you mentioned is specifically (such as what I need to upgrade gear,) I think I understand what you're trying to say with it. If I understand correctly, you're saying that the low pop on P2P doesn't affect their guild activity/achievements and they still get through it? As well as that the P2W factor in F2P kind of makes people less friendly endgame than on P2P? (I don't mean to jump to conclusions, but I expected that at least in the PvPing population... P2W isn't ever a good thing and Allods has a bad case of it as far as I know.) :pinch:

However, pretty sure I understand the last bit pretty clearly. 160 dollars for all those items can just be achieved later on by playing P2P without spending extra other than the 20 per 3 months, which is what I was assuming beforehand. Having you reaffirm that helps, so thanks.

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So, make sure you read (preferably experience instead of read) many different views and opinions before making your own.

Yeah, I saw quite a bit of Allods-Online-Player in the threads I read before making my own. At first, he got me to lean towards F2P until someone mentioned a lot of the "benefits" present in F2P and lacking in P2P are still bought with real cash (or I suppose, based on what he said, with a hefty amount of gold that requires a lot of farming?) Furthermore, a lot of the disadvantages to P2P that he mentions seem kind of void in P2P according to its players. That's pretty much why I decided to ask this question and inquire simply what I was concerned about. Clearly if I'm not getting elixirs or whatever while playing P2P, I don't think I would notice since I haven't played in so long and didn't get very far. My only concern was the P2W aspect and if it was only a PvP ordeal, in which case I'd just play F2P and avoid PvP. However Dala mentioned the requirements and yeah.

It's pretty clear it finds its way into PvE as well.

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Wednesday, May 13th 2015, 7:03am

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Gibberlings are League only . Pridens , the others furry ones (Gibbs are Feral) , are neutral until level 25 , they have theirs own beginning area and will choose their faction at the end. I would recommend you thoses as in 4-5h you will be 25 , skipping some of boring zones of League (Frozen Frontier , Darkwater) or Empire (Dead Sea) , but getting all thoses quests , and rewards of it (Rubies , Skill Scrll) done , when you chose faction. Quests in that zone are pretty funny too , Shame we can't go back.

As for faction , Girbeh is from Avarice , top guild in PVE and PVP (But we are first until getting raped on wed

) on league side. They have enough people to do full raid and i don't know how they work inside (We don't have spies).

I'm from Utopie , Top guild in Empire. We have a lot of people , but can't manage to get a full raid , so every new people that wanna do pve is more than welcome (Even to be canon fodder). As for inside , We try to be sociable, helpful , lending mounts , doings bosses , We bring low level in Ar (927gold at low level is a fortune). We even have a second guild where you will get xp faster (+8% xp per quest and going up) , if you want to reach end content faster. Second guild don't mean we're putting you out of the way , if you need help just ask

Edit : Just saw the first bit of your message . So to clarify it : Low pop on P2P do not diminish people fun (except people who come only for Pvp) , but rather make it more easy. Dominion give you the best reward , but as on F2P you need to fight and spend a lot to be able to go in ten first to get your big rewards, in P2P , you don't because we have a total of 6 guilds max , so you just need to register and you will get your big rewards

.
As for mentality , People like to brag about the power they gain from Cs . When people from f2p came onto p2p , they were at equal power with everyone , So the people who only had Cs got crushed , and they left disgusted with the excuse of "Pvp and pve are not fun" , Cause the game for them was hard without Cs. So we lost thoses toxic players. On p2p your power is your gear and your skill , nothing more. as you can see people trashing each other it stay marginal and short term. Damn , personnaly i was treated as a noob by the top french guilds on f2p and when i went on p2p i managed to kill a lot of them , easily. So when they went away and i stayed i was kinda happy to never see them again

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