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wall of blade 15%

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i dont take crit rubies for desta because i dont play with killer in pve so these rubies are 50% useless.

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And i play with choke so not enought rubies to take all.

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i am not full cash shop and in a guild who is rushing my rubies raid like some other psios

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Quoted from "Erwyn"

I don't know how you're dpsing but pyro is doing 60%+ of my damage.

one - key spammer

if you want some challenge and fun, here is my build :
http://allods.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=2515

Quoted from "Intre"

A build isn't about challenge or fun, it's about optimisation

Quoted from "Intre"

WoB is ... a waste of 6 talents

Quoted from "Intre"

No maxing desta is retarded.

Quoted from "Intre"

you own legy carnifex

Quoted from "ilovejane"

I wanted to see PvP builds, but the topic is not found

Quoted from "ilovejane"

Better for PvP and Dominion ( if you do not control the build) : http://en.allodswiki.ru/calc/#!6!232...3…KB!mhrh/EHBYZNF

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Quoted from "ilovejane"

Better for PvP and Dominion ( if you do not control the build) : http://en.allodswiki.ru/calc/#!6!232...3…KB!mhrh/EHBYZNF

Why not maxed Astral Body and no Cruel Master?

Quoted from "Lacrymoza"

hypnosis is useless now because in cargalas, npc and players making full aoe are both side breaking all hypnoses

assassin and depression at the same time are perfect now to nuke healers (if you take rubies ofc)

Quoted from "Dala"

Quoted from "ALLODS-ONLINE-PLAYER"

http://allods.com/forum/index.php?page=T…21714#post21714
its in german language but what matters most are the pictures of the talentscreen anyway

You are probably not aware of that, but other language forums pretty much don't exist for people who don't speak those languages. I personally have all but English forums filtered out to not clutter my screen, I'd guess most people do as well.

Quoted from "Erwyn"

Pyro works as such, it has a % chance to give you a conc stack and if it doesn't it will do an additional hit on effect, if you have 3 stacks of concentration it clearly can't give you anymore so you will do get this additional hit on effect 100% of the time, so you will be spamming x2 pyro during temp acel therefore it's not beneficial at all to use destabilization during temp acel.

There's one important detail you're missing - it's not literally "when you don't gain concentration". The check is made anyway even if you cannot gain concentration due to 3 stack limit. There can be an event where the check passes and you'd gain concentration (but you don't since you're at max), in this case pyro does not do the additional damage.

Under temporal acceleration indeed every Pyro does additional damage, but it's regardless of whether you have max stacks of concentration or not.

A Destabilization still does more damage per time spent casting than a half cast time guaranteed 2nd hit pyro.

Quoted from "Erwyn"

Destabilization should be our main bulk of damage? I don't know how you're dpsing but pyro is doing 60%+ of my damage.

It's because you don't cast Astral Venom after Pyro. That gives two Pyro per each one Destab, it's to be expected in this case.

EDIT:I could not believe this, but I could not take the thought I can be misinforming people either, so I've done testing. I have learned something new. The condition for pyro 2nd hit is now really dependent on stacks and not forced to be always true under temporal acceleration.

It seems I was wrong for the entirety of 6.0 as they either ninja-changed it or I was stupidly unlucky not getting even a single one-hit pyro with acceleration on in a lot of tests. Today I got... one in like a hundred.

Now even the higher damage of Destab doesn't make it worth it to cast with acceleration since you lose the 3 stack state.

But since Destab is still by far best damage per time spent casting, the biggest dps loss is when you run out of concentration and can't cast one despite it not being on cooldown. This is why my 2nd point still stands. It's pretty much impossible to run out of concentration if you cast Venom after every Pyro, with just 2 pyro each 1 destab this happens.

I'll use double-hit pyro for this calculation to tip it even more in the favor of 2x pyro 1 destab (which it really isn't)
Since Venom is instant I'll count it as 0.5s being that 0.5s you have to wait for next pyro.

dobule-hit pyro average (noncrit) ~150k
venom average (noncrit) ~70k
destab average (noncrit) ~170k
2x pyro + 1 destab = 300k in 3,8s + 170k in 0,5s ---> total 470k in 4,3s ---> ~110k dps
1x pyro + 1x venom + 1x destab = 150k in 1,9s + 70k in 0,5s + 170k in 0,5s ---> total 390k in 2,9s ---> 134k dps

Also I am not counting the destab in 2nd case is "bigger" from one Shattered Nerves stack.

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Quoted from "ilovejane"

Better for PvP and Dominion ( if you do not control the build) : http://en.allodswiki.ru/calc/#!6!232...3…KB!mhrh/EHBYZNF

Why not maxed Astral Body and no Cruel Master?

Quoted from "lublur"

so Basically that's what you saying:
Pyrolysis + Astral venom + (wait for 2.5s) + START to cast pyrolysis again + finally hit another pyro.

while I'm saying: Pyro + start casting another pyro for 1.9s (cast time decreased because of rubies)+ hit Pyro

do this for 1 minute and go back here and tell me which one has the higher dps

if you want a video of me testing this, I can record it, or you could record it, because this trick doesn't work.

Quoted from "DarkFilo97"

Do you think psio class can do more kills then mage and then others classes?

Quoted from "Dala"

No, that's not what I'm saying. You've completely failed to see the most important part of this:
Cast Destabilization. After Venom. Before next Pyro.
By the time Destabilization cast time + global cooldown from Destabilization ends, the wait time is only 0.5s and the above calculation is valid.

Quoted from "Dala"

Another important thing that people often don't seem to know is that taking Psychic Shock/Astral Venom in a pyro build is NOT pointless. They only share cooldown if you use Shock/Venom first, not the other way around. You essentially have a "free" Shock/Venom cast right after every pyro. It also helps to take Shattered Nerves rubies to stack it up when you have to move and can't cast pyro.

Quoted from "DarkFilo97"

That's not what you said here:

Quoted from "Dala"

Another important thing that people often don't seem to know is that taking Psychic Shock/Astral Venom in a pyro build is NOT pointless. They only share cooldown if you use Shock/Venom first, not the other way around. You essentially have a "free" Shock/Venom cast right after every pyro. It also helps to take Shattered Nerves rubies to stack it up when you have to move and can't cast pyro.

This statement is partially true, yes you have venom after pyro, but you don't have pyro after venom, you didn't say nothing about destabilization after venom at this statement.

Plus, it's not 100% sure that you will get concentration ALWAYS after pyro/venom combo.

Quoted from "Dala"

Anyone who plays this class for more than a day understands that builds without Destabilization are failed. They are not viable. This goes without saying for those people.

About concentration, that's what Concentration skill is for, to fix those (very very rare) events.

Quoted from "lublur"

and "very rare events"? really? haha i wish that everytime that i cast 2 pyro or 2 venom or 1pyro/1venom combo as you said, i would get a concentration stack, psi would be extremely OP if it was like that why don't u make a video showing us how "rare" is that?

Quoted from "DarkFilo97"

Do you think psio class can do more kills then mage and then others classes? 'Cause this is my only 1 problem and question... I know psy have to be a support with cc in the while but you answer me same!!
P.s. I'm speaking with you Lithium and Dala
P.s.2. Let's answer me and i'll give u all a great kiss!!

Quoted from "Intre"

Check this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXvHS3dTWG4

Quoted from "Dala"

Kills - Yes.

Damage - No.