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Quoted from "SpiritX"

Rank 2 Snow Dam?

Quoted from "SpiritX"

Rank 3 Flash? Rank 2 Snow Dam? Aura of Astral? Rank 3 Icy Grave? Are you joking?

Quoted from "dragonsvk8"

Quoted from "SpiritX"

Rank 3 Flash? Rank 2 Snow Dam? Aura of Astral? Rank 3 Icy Grave? Are you joking?

I guess you are idk what mages u had on ur server but i know that Penances 1st rule is r3 icy grave..also any mage that doesent use AoP on pvp build is 100% crap

I love the way Pena taught me and many other mages, how to use (and why) ice grave on pvp: we met on arena, he made me use my patron ability to remove CC (fear, conflagrate etc.), then he cast ice grave and I could only wait and look how he finishes me. Even worst if he saw me not having my bless on, we was cruel and came each time to recast ice grave so most the time I was standing frozen. Ahh, good old times

btw. ice grave and aop for pvp are 'must-have-them' skills and for pve a mage also should have the double ice grave. At the end ice grave has 1.4s cast and is one of the best CC skills in the game.

Flash r2 is enough (between r2 and r3 is a small difference) and snow dam also r2 (although now would be nice to have it on r3 since there r always problems with mana, later its not needed so high).
A time ago I experimented with not putting rubies in burning ice for pvp - it sucks. You should have them, else the only skill you are able to cast is firearrow. Also, not putting rubies in Steel is like: casting an ice comet.....waiting..... waiting.... waiting..... casting next ice comet, o sht my forces had changed.
Another abomination is skipping the Lightning Jolt rubies, those are responsible for our 'Finish him' skills.

with this build, I'm surprised you were able to kill anything and u got so far.

Quoted from "SΛΤΗΩ"

At the end ice grave has 1.4s cast and is one of the best CC skills in the game.

Quoted from "SΛΤΗΩ"

Quoted from "dragonsvk8"

Quoted from "SpiritX"

Rank 3 Flash? Rank 2 Snow Dam? Aura of Astral? Rank 3 Icy Grave? Are you joking?

I guess you are idk what mages u had on ur server but i know that Penances 1st rule is r3 icy grave..also any mage that doesent use AoP on pvp build is 100% crap

I love the way Pena taught me and many other mages, how to use (and why) ice grave on pvp: we met on arena, he made me use my patron ability to remove CC (fear, conflagrate etc.), then he cast ice grave and I could only wait and look how he finishes me. Even worst if he saw me not having my bless on, we was cruel and came each time to recast ice grave so most the time I was standing frozen. Ahh, good old times

btw. ice grave and aop for pvp are 'must-have-them' skills and for pve a mage also should have the double ice grave. At the end ice grave has 1.4s cast and is one of the best CC skills in the game.

Flash r2 is enough (between r2 and r3 is a small difference) and snow dam also r2 (although now would be nice to have it on r3 since there r always problems with mana, later its not needed so high).
A time ago I experimented with not putting rubies in burning ice for pvp - it sucks. You should have them, else the only skill you are able to cast is firearrow. Also, not putting rubies in Steel is like: casting an ice comet.....waiting..... waiting.... waiting..... casting next ice comet, o sht my forces had changed.
Another abomination is skipping the Lightning Jolt rubies, those are responsible for our 'Finish him' skills.

with this build, I'm surprised you were able to kill anything and u got so far.

Quoted from "SpiritX"

@Jakson Cidden mi? Şaka yapıyorsun. Çok komikmişsin kardeş, iyi güldürdün gece gece. Tebrik ediyorum.

Quoted from "exe626"

in regards to icy grave: some people will not even take you to astral if you don't have it. i cannot condone of the OP's build in the slightest, mind you: he takes firey ice while trying to spec for lightning grasp, lol

my PvE build:
http://en.allodswiki.ru/calc/#!2!113..3.…B!eswupl/QDSFGY
i take aura of power simply because there's often times a 2nd mage, or a psi, in my parties - it can be ignored entirely if you see fit. if i had 63 rubies like the OP, i'd probably take portal, r3 positive feedback, and a few more ranks of icy lightning.

i don't use thunderbolt, as you may have noticed - it has a much longer cast time than frostbolt, so i find it useless and would rather put points for it elsewhere.

Oh, where do I begin:
1st thing, thunderbold has a hidden feature, when your targets health is low, it boosts the dmg it deals.
So I have it too and together with thundering advantage, which decrees the cooldown of thunderbolt.
Some peeps, also, take static charge which is good if a boss/mob doesn't move, but most the mobs you will fight, do move, so I'm not a big fan of that skill, especially that it's most effective at 10th stack only.

2nd portal for pve is a waste of rubie (for pvp its different). Either your party dies and you all have to run, or a healer will rise you.
Also Snowstorm is a huge aoe skill (specially if u have draconic relics for that) but it takes a lot of mana and so does prismatic lightning, so you can cast them like 1-2 times top.

Chains of ice can be useful for pve (to cc a pack of mobs before the tank can take the whole aggro after you have cast ice grave). But its optional.

Positive feadback seems not to work atm (accept for the cooldown lowering ofc.) so its a waste also.

Dispel is not only a pvp skill, it helps to take some buffs/barriers that many mobs are now using - like stone barrier, healing etc.

And the biggest mistake of this build is not taking Elemental surge.

• it does not aggro mobs, so it can be cast before the fight starts
  
• it take 8s to hit with it, so there is plenty of time for tank to take the aggro
  
• it's a huge powerful AOE skill that knocks down the mobs.
  
• it's a skill u can cast between cycles, when you are waiting on your forces to kick in
  
• it's an astral dmg skill, so when a mob has the ability to reflect magic (fire, ice lightning) dmg back to you, you can cast it without any problem.
  

I would take (and I did) magic tactics to r1 (u don't need to move much on pve, usually) cuz 5 min cooldown is enough time, and put as many talents as u can in elemental surge. Sometimes with one hit you can wipe the whole pack of mobs before even any of your party members kills one of them


Also, Ice grave on r3 - it casts faster.
War of elements should be on r4, not r2 as u have here, u get less forces, and that mean, less powerful skills can be used.

Some ppl also take 1 rubie in Hoarfrost, just to slow mobs with ice comet, but it doesn't work on elite mobs or bosses and the minor mobs are always in pack, also the dmg after it explodes is now greatly reduced, so its optional.

1. thunderbolt doesn't magically start hitting harder when your enemys hp is low, that's the new stat which increases your damage as the enemies health gets lower
2. static charge is 9,000% useless
3. portal is fun
4. snowstorm cost 6000 mana and does less damage than frostbolt
5. chain ice doesn't work against 90% of mobs and breaks as soon as any intelligent player aoes the mobs
6. positive feedback has always worked
7. dispel is useless if not r3
8. elemental surge does less damage than frostbolt, and only aoes things under the beam
   
9. prismatic uses 1700 mana, 300 less than thunderhead - however, prismatic deals nearly twice as much damage, and doesn't require any entrophies. the downside is, of course, the cast time. it's a pre-combat skill, definitly. or a handy aoe if you don't have any entrophies, and you simply must zap 3 enemies.
   
10. there is no cast-time difference between r2 and r3 icy grave, the only difference is a 10s duration. r1 icy grave last for 30s, r2 last for 50s, r3 last for 60s. r3 isn't worth 3 points
11. the difference between r2 and r4 icy lightning is a +50% chance for one extra entrophy per 30 seconds, and i did say i would get a few extra ranks in it if i did have the amount of rubies the OP did. but, as it is, i would rather spend them on more useful skills

Quoted from "exe626"

i feel like you're either quoting the wrong person.. or something idk, most of what you say has nothing to do with what i've posted

1. thunderbolt doesn't magically start hitting harder when your enemys hp is low, that's the new stat which increases your damage as the enemies health gets lower
2. static charge is 9,000% useless
3. portal is fun
4. snowstorm cost 6000 mana and does less damage than frostbolt
5. chain ice doesn't work against 90% of mobs and breaks as soon as any intelligent player aoes the mobs
6. positive feedback has always worked
7. dispel is useless if not r3
8. elemental surge does less damage than frostbolt, and only aoes things under the beam
   
9. prismatic uses 1700 mana, 300 less than thunderhead - however, prismatic deals nearly twice as much damage, and doesn't require any entrophies. the downside is, of course, the cast time. it's a pre-combat skill, definitly. or a handy aoe if you don't have any entrophies, and you simply must zap 3 enemies.
   
10. there is no cast-time difference between r2 and r3 icy grave, the only difference is a 10s duration. r1 icy grave last for 30s, r2 last for 50s, r3 last for 60s. r3 isn't worth 3 points
11. the difference between r2 and r4 icy lightning is a +50% chance for one extra entrophy per 30 seconds, and i did say i would get a few extra ranks in it if i did have the amount of rubies the OP did. but, as it is, i would rather spend them on more useful skills

do you even read the skills you have?