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Quoted from "ALLODS-ONLINE-PLAYER"

Quoted from "ALLODS-ONLINE-PLAYER"

in every game where progress matters there is the option to gain advantages using $
either you set some programmer for macros / bots on your payroll (or even better you take time to learn how to do this yourself), or you bribe the gamestaff itself, you might buy an account from someone who played a lot, its possible to do arranged events in case thy gain you something, etc
many games tell us about how strict this is forbidden and still players laugh at that since there is NO way to really stop it

the only difference is that in these cases the $ does not directly benefits the game itself(but only private persons) while in games like allods the $ goes to the company running the game (thus i see this somehow as a donation as its good for "the game")
i have never seen a better way dealing with $

so, given all these options EVERY progress-based internetgame has, theoretically we could call them ALL "pay to win"

Quoted from "Shadowpeixera"

Wrong. Games can be P2W without paywalls. You claiming Allods to be "not even that hard" to get to a good point, and yet admiting the "slight advantage", is going controversial. "Oh. But that's in every game" Play Guild Wars 2. Play Wildstar. Two games with great f2p systems. While GW2 went a bit P2W because of the xpac, the core game is still worth it and free. In allods, to be on the same level, you have to cash on obscene amounts of money.

You also use your own "i play on both F2P and Subscription..." experience as a argument which is entirely anedoctal. Fact is: Allods suffers because of population numbers, and you can't argue with that. The game has a terrible reputation, and it shouldn't because it's great. But it suffers from the same plague that a lot of good F2P games suffered: Bad management. When the publisher/maker get so damn money-hungry that they want fast return with their product, and don't focus on long time retention. Look at Archeage. Trion, the makers of Rift, known to be one of the best F2P titles in the market, are now refered to as a joke company because of the idiocy they did with Archeage. Granted, the game itself is a money-trap, but Trion could minimize that and make a great game for everyone. They didn't. Archeage is on it's 3rd server merge, if memory doesn't fail me, and that's never a good sign.

These new years are teaching us all a lesson: If you want you game to deliver money, go sub from the start and make a great damn game that's worth the sub. But if you go F2P, you don't PUNISH the f2p gamers. You give the subs/p2p a lot of fluff and cash shop advantages that's NOT A GAMEPLAY ADVANTAGE. If you treat your players like crap, they'll leave you, unless they spent obscene amounts of jaja in their characters. That's saddening. A game depending on immature whales to survive.

Welp, to each their own, i guess. Allods is great, and everytime i hear any kind of news about it, i get sad, thinking how wonderful this game could be if it was more friendly towards it's f2players.

Quoted from "AMDRylai"

Everything that is said is subjective. It's all personal opinion and nothing less. I had edited a really long post (this one) simply because I am not bothered and interested in arguing back as this conversation is literally going to go nowhere and it's just going to keep going and going. I'm just growing tired of these damn threads. This topic is brought up all the damn time and it's starting to get annoying. All I'm going to say is stop making negative threads about the game and get over this stupid so called fact of the game being P2W... We get it... You think the game is P2W, however I think the opposite and am appreciative that one of my favourite games is still alive going strong and releasing new content. I'll be happy on both the F2P and Subscription perspective of the game.

To any new player who sees this... Join the Subscription Server but if you're not willing to pay then the F2P is an alternative and a great one.

Quoted from "Dala"

You don't need to bring any online dictionaries or anything alike.

THE VERY NAMES SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

Pay Wall means just that - there's a wall between you and certain items or content that can only be overcome with paying real money.

Pay to Win means just that - every time you pay you get closer to winning, because items or content purchased give you a very perceptible power increase.

You can have a game that has pay walls but no pay to win.
You can have a game that has pay to win but no pay walls (Allods for example).
You can have a game that has neither.
You can have a game that has both.

The End.

Quoted from "Quinz"

BEFORE YOU READ: This post is supposed to be informative and helpful for those who don't know what the term "pay-to-win" means. It's in no way supposed to be negative and the purpose is not to tell you if Allods is pay-to-win or not. However, I will mention in the post if Allods is a pay-to-win game or not according to the real definition of pay-to-win, as it is a good example, and some people may also want to know.

(I have also added some happy smilies here and there just to spread more positivity and happy thoughts, lol )

Quoted from "AMDRylai"

It does not matter what this thread was intended to be. It's considered spam and it will always be spam because this stupid ridiculous topic has been put here and everywhere non-stop for the past four years or so. Get over it. Stop making these annoying threads that causes never ending arguments, which are negative and irrelevant. Move on, shut up and join the Subscription Server if people are going to make these threads. When people come to the forums here and see threads like this it scares them away and thus they don't want to join and thus the playerbase dwindles down again and again and again. If you're going to make a thread like this (you shouldn't but if you do) make sure to promote the Subscription, experience and equilibrium play on that server because that server is where the game is best at it's core.

Mind you, that you can't change someones opinion even if you force them as it's YOUR OWN opinion and then again, even though they share the similar views to your opinion does not make them right and does not make you right. It's not a fact that Allods is P2W, it's an opinion. The term P2W is subjective, it's not objective and never will be a factual definition or a real one. The game in my opinion and others too think it's Free to Play/Pay for Convenience as thats what we feel goes along the lines of. If you think it's P2W then that's up to you and not up to us but don't shove your opinion, which is in fact biased down other peoples throats so you can make them see things your way.

Your thread is in no way helpful or positive, it's negative to the fullest and shouldn't be brought up on the forums at all unless it's in the suggestions section where you inform the developers/publisher of the issues or you can do so privately by contacting customer support and thus sending them feedback to help and improve the game and the status of the devs/pubs. The topic has been going on and on and on, which by now is making the game the laughing stock of MMORPGs because of how it's being presented by the community itself not just other gamers. So finally, I repeat... There is no ACTUAL definition for the term "Pay to Win" as that phrase is subjectively defined and it's defined by someones personal experience, preference, knowledge and view point of the topic. If you go to any discussion thread on some MMORPG site and someone asks "What does the term P2W even mean?"... Haha, well... You're in for a treat mate because you're going to get a wide variety of opinions and definitions, which vary/differentiate from everyone elses. Here's a great example - https://www.reddit.com/r/truegaming/comm…in_mean_to_you/ and this is evidently clear that it's all subjective due to the many definition derived from that term. A lot of people would consider Allods F2P and a lot would consider it P2W and some even P2P. It's all opinionated, it's not facts and never will be.

I might have come across as sour here but this has to be addressed so people can come to that realisation because it's getting to the point where it's undeniably annoying and infuriating simply because this topic is mentioned multiple times.

Ok bud, let's try to make this thread even better. I will rephrase and mention in the main post that this is the "most common" definition of pay-to-win, but that the term may be subjective and can have slightly different meanings to different people.

This is just an attempt to reduce the amount of threads and posts regarding this topic, by having one thread that simply explains the common definition of the term.

If you have any other suggestions please let me know. Thanks!

EDIT: Updated the main post. Have a look