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Honestly im starting to feel like that many current allods top players are here either just because they dont want to abandon the characters they have which they spent alot of money on and/or simply because of their friends..the only reason i tried p2p was just because friend wanted me to do so too..

Quoted from "dragonsvk8"

Honestly im starting to feel like that many current allods top players are here either just because they dont want to abandon the characters they have which they spent alot of money on and/or simply because of their friends..the only reason i tried p2p was just because friend wanted me to do so too..

There literally is no other reason except we invested too much time and or money into this game. If the p2p population grew significantly I might consider it, but I can't be bothered to be a part of making it grow.
I have almost no interest in this game anymore as it has been destroyed since the 7.0 patch, I mean, it's just a joke. As bad as the most recent Pokemon GO update if not worse.
If I was a lower spender in the beginning I would have left the instant the 7.0 patch came out, but I've spent too much time and money on this game to leave...I just keep hoping they'll stop messing up the game...but they have yet to prove me wrong unfortunately.

Quoted from "IAmGroot"

If I was a lower spender in the beginning I would have left the instant the 7.0 patch came out, but I've spent too much time and money on this game to leave...I just keep hoping they'll stop messing up the game...but they have yet to prove me wrong unfortunately.

that's sadly how powerfull is the cognitive bias of the sunk costs (if you're french, i highly recommand this video ==> here that speacks about it very well).

Basicaly, you stick to something not to "waste" money/time already invested even if you CAN'T get the money/time back anymore. Then we shouldn't consider this money/time to answer the question : "do i want to continue to invest money/time into this...".
Knowing this, we should all think like this : "what do i want?", because we have the choice between : i've spent X amount of time/money into something and i'll continue to invest some because i don't want to "waste" (there's nothing to waste with something that is already spent but that's how we all think); OR : i've invested X amount of time/money into something, now i realize it's not worth for me to invest more so i'll stop here and start another project (when you're in an enterprise or smthing...), another game that interest me more...

Even with all that explanation, the popularizer of the video i've linked above says that it's very difficult to fight against this bias, and even him isn't sure he'd make the right decision if a situation like that would happen.
I really think what i've explained in this post is a central point of the fp2 players not wanting to switch to p2p server "issue".

I personally see it more as a I'm already sunk into it, I'll keep coming back to check on it from time to time just to see if it still sucks as much as it did when I left. If no, I'll play again for a while. If yes, I'll stop again. I played Diablo 2 and 3 off and on since their respective launches. In fact the only reason I stopped playing D2 was because I finally found people to play with in D3.

Quoted from "ALLODS-ONLINE-PLAYER"

if you have 7's and get killed by someone with 13's its your fault not beeing stronger, very simple, this is how a progressive game runs

Hey AOP, i wonder where do you think the limit is?
The quote above kinda would have made sense 6 years ago, but now it is progressively harder to get things.
What price does crystal need to be that you can accept that time is not a factor anymore.

15 years for full cs?
100 years?
At some point farming and crystal exchanger can't be an argument anymore, right?

Quoted from "Gibe"

Quoted from "ALLODS-ONLINE-PLAYER"

if you have 7's and get killed by someone with 13's its your fault not beeing stronger, very simple, this is how a progressive game runs

Hey AOP, i wonder where do you think the limit is?
The quote above kinda would have made sense 6 years ago, but now it is progressively harder to get things.
What price does crystal need to be that you can accept that time is not a factor anymore.

15 years for full cs?
100 years?
At some point farming and crystal exchanger can't be an argument anymore, right?

+1 agree, when i read his post i thought it was "it's NOT your fault not beein stronger" and it would have made sense. Now even if you farm a supr hardcore way, it's still wayyyy too hard to get anything good from the cs, that's why i almost completely stop farming gold, because my efforts weren't rewarded enought (at all!).
Don't get me wrong AOP, i still consider that you're one of the guys of this forum that loves this game the most (or at least it looks so) and always have a well detailed pov, but i start agreeing more and more with the ones that tell you (quite often not a very friendly way) that you are stuck to pov based on an old state of the game, that isn't like this anymore; and, the fact that you have successfully farm pretty much all the cs stuff you needed makes you (imo) lose a little bit the sens of reality (even if once again most of what you say is interesting and my pov toward this game is pretty close to yours )

first off...
...i am aware i do have the advantage that i started this game over 4 years before, played almost EVERY day in this time, have fun in auctions and enjoy (hardcore) farming
...i am aware my "career" in this game is NOT how things usually run
...i am aware that usually players do NOT have such a strict policy on donating like i had in the elapsed playtime

on the other hand there are also players that play since the very beginning of this game, from day one
they have gained even more advantages than me

the longer i play the more i feel like SOME day in the future it would be OK for me to donate, as the game already "gave" me so much pleasent memories & experiences (we could say "the game earned credit")

as for new players
even now, with a high exchangerate you still have the option to play completely free of ANY payment, given you really want it
leaving this alone,i think its not unrealistic or expensive to donate like 30$ or somethig / month, with this amount or even less you will progress REALLY fast

regarding highend and maybe top-pvp, its your decision whether you want to get into that or not
we all know very well that strong items alone wont make you win any battle as there is gear, skill and preparation (mainly alchemistic potions etc) too

going further on money....
just as an example: a player plays for, lets say, 4 straight years, thats 365x4; so 1460 days
allods is (one of) his biggest hobbie(s)
its legit to spend money in order to enjoy hobby-activities, do you agree? (as long as you can still afford mandatory things regarding your RL, of course!)

many ppl spend money every day on questionable things, for example, those who smoke & drink alcohol, its easy to spend 7,60 $ a day...
if you buy some fastfood too. the amount gets even higher... ppl also go to the cinema instead of watching movies free on the internet, ppl pay too high taxes without knowing it often, ppl waste $ by letting electrical devices "ON" uneeded permanently, ppl waste $ on expensive clothes, ppl waste $ on inefficient driving, ppl waste $ on unrentable investments...you already see what i want to say; there are lots of options to lose or save up money every day in our life

now, if a player had saved up these 7,60 every day, today he would have 11.096$
thats approximately the price of full level 13 runes (if you buy at discount it costs even less), if you already have runes its also cheaper due to the available runes

not to mention these runes are the absolute TOP and only very very few players have them...
even with full level 12 you are very strong, these cost 50% less than the 13s, so 6000$; this amount is obtainable even faster

the longer you play & enjoy, the "cheaper it gets" in total

lets stuck with the full13's, i like this example as runes are the only thing i really have left to go for, more or less
lets assume someone plays allods for 10 years, how much would the full13's be daily? the answer is: 3,01 $
is it much to spend 3€ on a game you absolutely LOVE? keep in mind the examples on how much money average ppl waste daily
its weird when i talk to ppl and they tell me how they regret when they spent 50$ on strongboxes, but when they tell me they lost 500$ due to suboptimal taxing they treat it as nothing >.<
how long do you plan to play this game? if you are playing it for 4 years, beeing happy as on the 1st day, chances are good you will keep playing it 4 years again -for me now its even more exciting than on the 1st day....
(if you now come up with doubts regarding the "Lifespan" of a mmo, think about how the game runs in russia and our verison is secured due to this...)

so when i say "its your fault nor not beeing stronger", even if it sounds harsh, thats exactly what i mean
when you decide to let yourself into a game with the option to get things faster or instant with $, you may reckon that you will from time to time face players which actually accept this offer

its also "my fault" for not having started to play earlier as this would have put me into some better position
if i lose to some top-donator because he is superior to me, its also "my fault", noone else but me is responsible for my character... but i made the decision on purpose as i was aware on what i enter here, from the 1st day i played

but again, how many players are really THIS powerful a (properly geared!) level 7 cant fight with them? if i look around in BGs i mostly see players with runes around level 7 (+- 2) but many are even below

cashshop is an interesting topic, but there is SO MUCH more in this game than that
if you do a party or a raid noone cares are your runes 6 7 8 or 9 or even more... you just play and have a good time
now if you ask about those with runes level 3 or something... honestly... for an active player its not hard to improve them

and once more, if you are completely unhappy with cashshop go and play on subscriptionserver
actually i thought with the introduction of this server, the debate about "cashshop", "pay to win" and "whales" would have stopped
dont get me wrong, i like this kind of discussion, but honestly, we have made everything as clear as its possible in this forum already

@Gibe, short answers:
there is no clear limit as long as its obtainable if you try hard... its your decision where you put your limit
when i started this game and chatted with the ones in full 7s (while i was 211 111) they told me the same thing; "its not worth farming, when i was new exchange was 1:2, but now that its 1:7 its faaar to expensive"... thankfully i did not let this change my mind and i began my "collection" at this "bad" economical time
today, i laugh about it, we have like 1:1850
also, prices go down (maybe strongboxes drop more? i dont know) , gold-rewards go up, so if the exchange also goes up its natural (especially now where we have many new players!)
i saw mirage beeing sold for 8k and conclave for 5k... wow... why are they sold so cheap? (btw thanks to the seller )
so only saying everything is getting crappy expensive is not the whole truth

Could also turn off water and central heating, because the fuck needs that when you can get 13s in 2 years instead of 10.

yes you could also sell a kidney...
...but this was not my point...

what i wrote about were things that ppl spend money on without even thinking about which they would not miss and where it would be easy to save money in the case you want it for whatever...
i do know there are exceptions that do not waste money anywhere and are very money-conservative but our topic are majorities now

Have avoided answering in this topic for some time now but I agree a lot with AOP but also with some others.

The problem why this never ending discussion over p2w and cash shop persist is because of poor players - I mean economically poor. Many are unemployed, students, kids or live in a country where income is drastically less than in wealthier countries. For such players, Allods' prices are really high. And the players that complain the most are often impatient, don't have much time for playing or have a principal of not using real money in games, but they don't want play to farm gold all the time.

Realistically the exchange rate is ridiculously high, which kills any moderate attempts to earn "free" cash shop items and that turns away even more players. Here is were I agree with AOP, it's everyone's personal choice as to how they want to play a game. I strongly agree that Allods Online is one of the best mmos I've ever played although I dislike the changes that patch 7 brought along. I stay in Allods because I love the game.

I also agree with AOP about how and to what ppl use their money for. Life is about choices - I chose to spend quite some money in Allods so I don't have to farm that much but I had to cut my expenses from other stuffs/hobbies. Allods has given me lots of joy since 2010 and it has been worth the money spend even though I haven't been a hardcore player anymore for couple years now.

Another real issue is the fact that draws a deep line through players' opinions and it's the cash shop character boosting. I don't personally like that you can boost your personal power via cash shop stuff but that's the reality in Allods Online and I chose to cope with it. Many don't and it shows in game population. It's kinda too late to fix that issue within f2p server but that's why there's p2p.

The real problem is that people want pampering and luxury for free - life just doesn't work that way, not even in a game.

Quoted from "ALLODS-ONLINE-PLAYER"

yes you could also sell a kidney...
...but this was not my point...

what i wrote about were things that ppl spend money on without even thinking about which they would not miss and where it would be easy to save money in the case you want it for whatever...
i do know there are exceptions that do not waste money anywhere and are very money-conservative but our topic are majorities now

And my point was that you're discussing the cash shop pricing of the game in the light of the following:

• You haven't paid anything for the game yet, ever.
  
• As far as I'm aware you're not even remotely close to working full time, let alone paying your bills (do correct me if I'm wrong here)
  
• You also live in one of the wealthiest and most beneficial countries of Europe
  

I don't go on NASA forums to tell them how to do Moon/Mars landings, because I don't know anything about it.

hahahha, so AOP, until now, you were always saying that this game is so amazing bcz you can get all the CS items being a completely free player and things like this, now you come up and say that if you quit smoking and drinking you can get lvl 12 runes xD. This makes me laugh soo hard. Look dude, I have only farmed 5 months in this game, at the end of 6.0 and the beginning of 7.0, every day I would farm around 30-50 crystals each day (I am not a hardcore farmer, I get bored really quick), which is not bad, and is not very much either, each month I would pay 10 -15 euros. I managed to get my runes to 777/666 from 555/555 , 1,000/10,000 patronage 5 shards (or how they are called) , a scorpicore and a ruby scroll.........It's not bad, but it's not even 10% of all CS items....
At the end of 6.0 , the ratio was like 1:350 , so for a gold scroll from KoE, you would get around 7-8 crystals, I don't remember, now, for the same scroll, which takes the same time to get, you will get 3 crystals, and it has been only 3-4 months since 7.0.

The exchange system was the worst thing that could have happened to allods, you know why? Because the prices of CS items would have been a loot smaller without it...Because if a player wants to buy patronage 5 boxes, he converts his gold to crystals, so the ratio becomes smaller, from 1:1800 it gets to 1:1850 (just an example), me on the other hand, I want to buy crystal chips with gold, too, whose price went up just because another player bought a completely different CS item, and so on.

If the exchange ratio didn't exist, the first player would go to the Auction House and would buy some patronage boxes from another player, with gold, and in the worst case, the price of the patronage boxes would go higher, because of the big demand, but other CS items' prices would be the same, so my crystal chips' price would remain the same

I don't know if you understand the logic behind this, but it's pretty simple.

I don't know what I am waiting for, or what I'm expecting to change, I hate the game and I love it. I just want to go back in time when I first started playing...

Quoted from "Gwiniel"

The real problem is that people want pampering and luxury for free - life just doesn't work that way, not even in a game

This delusion is next level. People who complain about CS don't care about luxury, they care about competition and being equal to who they're playing against. Have you noticed that the people who defend CS, You and AOP, are very much casual players in competitive standpoint. No person with competitive spirit would ever defend CS. Huh? Really makes you think.

@AOP

Thinking more about it, what you say kinda some makes sense if:
1) This game is literally your life
2) You believe that this game can't die

Just don't be too shocked if the game gets shutdown within few years. Whatever the reason would be, devs quit devin, servers and backup blew up.

Quoted from "Hiren"

You haven't paid anything for the game yet, ever.

true

Quoted from "Hiren"

As far as I'm aware you're not even remotely close to working full time, let alone paying your bills (do correct me if I'm wrong here)

wrong (totally)

Quoted from "Hiren"

You also live in one of the wealthiest and most beneficial countries of Europe

do you consider germany as wealthy? it was once, but now its getting ruined more and more... this topic could fill whole pages but thats going too far

Quoted from "Hiren"

I don't go on NASA forums to tell them how to do Moon/Mars landings, because I don't know anything about it.

comparison unrelated
i wrote about economics (in game and RL) which is my main interest (in game and RL)
so its like you talk with a shoemaker about making shoes

Quoted from "euhen1sr"

AOP, until now, you were always saying that this game is so amazing bcz you can get all the CS items being a completely free player and things like this, now you come up and say that if you quit smoking and drinking you can get lvl 12 runes

actually saving up small amounts every day summarizing up after years should be common sense... but i still wanted to make this obvious with my example
that is one of the many reasons why this game is great
you can have everything for free if you wish, or you can pay it, this way the games highest strenghtlevels arent open for hardcorefarmers only but also for donators
that you have to do SOMETHING is selfexplanatory

Quoted from "euhen1sr"

I have only farmed 5 months in this game, at the end of 6.0 and the beginning of 7.0, every day I would farm around 30-50 crystals each day (I am not a hardcore farmer, I get bored really quick), which is not bad, and is not very much either, each month I would pay 10 -15 euros. I managed to get my runes to 777/666 from 555/555 , 1,000/10,000 patronage 5 shards (or how they are called) , a scorpicore and a ruby scrol

you have a fast mount, good runes.... there is your solid base for more if you like
i remember how great i felt when i made my level 7 offense runes

Quoted from "euhen1sr"

If the exchange ratio didn't exist, the first player would go to the Auction House and would buy some patronage boxes from another player, with gold, and in the worst case, the price of the patronage boxes would go higher, because of the big demand, but other CS items' prices would be the same, so my crystal chips' price would remain the same

I don't know if you understand the logic behind this, but it's pretty simple.

as far as i know from chatting it was this way before the exchange-npc was introduced
you mean that ppl who need gold cant go to exchange-npc but have to trade with fellow players (goldfarmers) and thus cant get too much gold for low prices

Quoted from "Gibe"

People who complain about CS don't care about luxury, they care about competition and being equal to who they're playing against. Have you noticed that the people who defend CS, You and AOP, are very much casual players in competitive standpoint. No person with competitive spirit would ever defend CS. Huh? Really makes you think.

i dont know what you mean with competitive, but if you mean equality, fairplay and all this stuff there is the subscriptionserver already
do you really think those with level 13 runes dont enjoy what they have? just bought it to "win" in dominion?
watch regular battlegorund and see whats going on, you can literally see how much you can enjoy the battle

remember, those who are OK with how it is usually are not writing so much on the forum, they are busy enjoying the game

Quoted from "Gibe"

@AOP

Thinking more about it, what you say kinda some makes sense if:
1) This game is literally your life
2) You believe that this game can't die

Just don't be too shocked if the game gets shutdown within few years. Whatever the reason would be, devs quit devin, servers and backup blew up.

the game is my biggest hobby we could say
i am aware everything on the internet can be gone from one day to another - however in terms of allods this is so unlikely... (and even if, there are backups... + serversoftware is also available on the internet) look how the game runs in RU... even here it runs good, look at all the participants from the great event we had

Quoted from "Gibe"

devs quit devin

When devs quit devin, #2k16problems

Quoted from "ALLODS-ONLINE-PLAYER"

if you have 7's and get killed by someone with 13's its your fault not beeing stronger, very simple, this is how a progressive game runs
the amount of players with full13's is 6 or 7 if i remember correctly...?
then again, runes are not everything, those who complain about beeing oneshot usually have weak gear AND weak runes
do you know what happens when you have full13s and crap gear? you lose to those in full 6 with strong gear
when you have full 7s and get oneshot by full13s your gear most likely is at fault too

if you are not OK with high strenght-differences you have the option to play on subscriptionserver, there is balance and only option to become stronger is gear

as for other MMO-games, they all do not have certain featues allods has (example: lootpet, reincarnationsystem like in allods, automovesystem along with visual indicators which let you play without reading any questtext etc etc etc)
thus allods is superior
we all are here because of this, because if there would be something better we would play that, right?

There are games where loto system goes as vacum loot or aoe loot(pretty much same as loot pet).Most of the mmos now have account share items(mounts costumes even currency etc) so if u make an alt on same acc u get almost same stuff as ur main.Automove honeslty made me hate questing is lazy way there is no fun in it.
Also u totaly ingore my point of game being unfun into the end game.You only saw what i wrote about CS items,so you either never do endgame stuff and just fluff puff in capital city or idk.
Pretty much we have what?1 raid thats extreamly easy as hell?Like idk in other games people have like 6 endgame raids and they still complain is not enought.

Also on the other note for cigars and alkohol thingys.Well when u buy cigs or some brew u know its there u can consume it etc.But if i wanna invest in allods what do i get?Ive spend some money on a server(not game coz RU servers will be up for sure)that will most likely due or merge soon with RU and be consumed by it.P2P is no longer an option becouse for the same price of $ u can get 1 month WoW witch has way way more stuff to do and people with too.
Game was fun trully was i rly enjoyed game pre crystal exchanger but now,every fcking thing is up by milions.New players cant enjoy the game fully becuz u know what?Cs items are ALSO PART OF THE GAME,so u cant affort part of the game just becouse u dont have time to farm days for gold and like there are no fun ways to farm gold really in other MMOs u can farm by doing profesions or exploring stuff,or clearing dungeons and other stuff on hardmode's etc etc.The most common way to farm gold here is farm etherium or Koe all day witch might be fun first few times but then it just goes stupid thats only 2 activities to do all day for gold.

best way of farming money is probably doing distortions at least better than koe and who doesnt like automove dont need to use it... not thats i dont agree the game has some mistakes but this endless discussion here seems pretty stupid and also useless as russian developers dont read an english forum in the future i just hope we will be merged with the russians at some point

"i dont know what you mean with competitive, but if you mean equality, fairplay and all this stuff there is the subscriptionserver already
do you really think those with level 13 runes dont enjoy what they have? just bought it to "win" in dominion?
watch regular battlegorund and see whats going on, you can literally see how much you can enjoy the battle

remember, those who are OK with how it is usually are not writing so much on the forum, they are busy enjoying the game"

Man AOP, you don't have a 13 rune(s). So how do you know the feeling of this? The thing right now is that most ppl with HIGHER CS than you and also MORE FINGERS than you are upset about the game population/competition. Yet you are here writing that the ppl that aren't writing are enjoying the game being busy in it. No we are offline and the reason we don't write much is because we see your delusional botty wall of texts.

Not to mention the future armours coming out spend again more and more shittons of money. Bro no new player will catch up on this CS thus no new players can compete unles they buy an account.

Kys

@crusoebg

with getting stronger, farming & quests (leveling) there is more to do than time available
crafting, gaining costumes... there is a lot if you want
reincarnations, guildquests, play the game with reading the questtext, infiltrate the capital city of the opposite faction, raids, goblinball, summerhold, relax at the tropical atoll, do the race in the desert and and and and ...

while it is true that alcohol and cigarettes (only as an example) are real goods and things in game are not (virtual goods) this was only an example on how you CAN afford these if you WANT
i am totally ok with those who say virtual goods are not worth real $, in general this is my POV too!

its great you can pay subscription of WOW for x$, you can even play WOW for free for 0$ if you play on a private server or set one up yourself (you are even the GM of this server then)
so are we done now with "what is possible to do"?


only because KOE & etherium is a common way this does not mean its the best way

cs items are part of the game although not NEEDED for regular gameplay (no, TOP raids and TOP pvp are not regular gameplay)
cs items can be bought by ingameactivities only IF YOU REALLY WANT (i made it too, so yo can also)
its not the games fault if you find no suitable way for you to gain gold ingame and if you dont want to donate - but still want to have top items
its not the games fault if you want "Perfect balance fairplay ****" and dont play on subscription server

where is the REAL problem? in the attitude of many ppl
this game is as close to perfection for an mmo as it gets (otherwise we all would not play it so much )

this game is as close to perfection for an mmo as it gets (otherwise we all would not play it so much

After this i am pretty sure some 1 is paying you.
Game is far from perfection.Like rly rly far and i dont play sub server as i said and i will say again for the same price i can get wow sub.