i kinda win more with weaker people than with really OP people because all they know is how to run foward to get a kill and not look back or to the map or the minimap.
The problem with DF is that people don't know how to play it so they have 4 people on their cannon and 4 on the other cannon and than randomly u have a full raid chasing 1 person i find myself manytimes alone in the middle and when i press M i just want to "cut myself". There's no control about the buff at all and when they finally decide to move on the flag they care is standing on the middle of flag getting zerked by imps and cannon while they try to get 1 kill. When there's the "waiting time" (when all imps die) usually they go out of the flag and start looking at ... dont ask me, or they go to the imp cannon so they can die again and once they spawn they go to their own cannon and they start again the chasing the mage or summy while all other imps dance on the flag, they don't even use cannon their could be 9 people on the cannon that NOBODY uses it until the 1 person there dies. Many imps already told league really sucks at DF.
As for WH they usually use same tactics, they send 3 people ruins while everyone else mindless runs to the imp flag without even bothering getting the buff i think u can even count how many people in league actually tries to get the buff, once they are at imp flag usually nobody tries to get the flag until everyone is or even thinks about to use CC to help the person who's trying to get the flag, in the end one or 2 people are left on the only flag and since imps have freedom to get buffs they go there and they wipe those who are trying to defend or just afking (cuz it happends alot) in the end they losse the flag and those who went to the imp flag usually end up dead and since there's only 3 people at ruins imps tend to get all 3 flags on the first minute.
(AR did cleared whole tep before the patch not just till Sihal like Ryan was saying, it's a matter how much efford you want to put into it and how hard to try and we don't have some crazy monster dpsers like mincs (example) have and Wanted also fully cleared tep before lvl 60 patch!)