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A later level farming, self-reliant build for farming or very basic astrals? You've kinda got 2 options.

Your first option is to go for a standard DPS build, and join a guild or make friends so you're farming with people, so you've always got a tank, stuff like that. The advantages of this build is that it does better damage, which means you're more useful and capable when you get up to doing astrals and stuff like that in endgame. Something like this is what I'd recommend: http://en.allodswiki.ru/calc/#!4!331...3…!oeqf/MKGRI!o/A

Your second option would be to go for a vamp build. This is more self-reliant than the acid DPS build, as it's got heals and is much more mobile. It's also miles better to level with (after about lvl 30), and in PvP. However, the damage output is less than the DPS build, so once you do get to endgame you wouldn't do as well in astrals or some of the harder farming areas. My recommendation for a build like that would be: http://en.allodswiki.ru/calc/#!4!132...3…cbjmghe/WNSKMAG

Or you can just use what most summies agree is the best levelling build, which is vamp + hellion. It's basically the same as the last build, but with a hellion pet instead of a lurker. You get less blood, because the lurker generates blood and the hellion doesn't, but you get your own mini tank while you're lvlling up to keep the mobs away from you, with good enough AoE DPS and heals to churn through everything fairly quickly.

Hope this helps!

I say +1 to the vamp/hellion build for levelling, but watch out - the hellion isn't a full-on tank, and depending on your level it can be easy to out-dps him and pull mobs off him onto you.

I guess you dont have greatness so I will try to give you some insight on specing without it. Let me make one thing clear first too. I always strongly advice using either full dps/full healer/full pvp build for endgame since hybrid builds sadly dont work there after the revamp we recieved. The only place where you should play some kind of hybrid of solo/dps/heal build is for PvP. With PvP build you can also easily achieve random mob farming for gold, but never try to modify it to a dps/heal PvE build since it will fail.

Since you are on leveling phase you have few options:

- play leveling/PvP build
- play leveling/PvP build till lvl 60 and respec to whatever you feel comfortable with
- level with dps/full healer build

Leveling/PvP build will be very nice for solo playing since it has quite alot of survival abilities and can be used for farming as you described you would like to do it with it. There are most likely 2 options to spec it, either with hellion or lurker as pet. Lurker gives you more blood income and that means more possibility to heal - more survival. Hellion brings a bit of damage and tankyness, but on higher lvl its threat becomes less powerful and you will overaggro it much more easily. I would recommend using Lurker cause of its better solo survivability and better versatility in pvp. I wouldnt use Cadaver in leveling phase unless you are outgeared (then the build doesent matter for lvling anyways) since that pet doesent bring much except bit more aoe.

Leveling/PvP

Leveling phase could be doable even with full dps/full healer build if you had experience in this game cause leveling isnt that hard..or you can respec to those after you max level if you can afford it but that wouldnt be very effective I guess. Once again I will repeat that playing hybrid offheal/dps/whatever build isnt profitable and only thing you will be able to do with it on full potential is solo farm mobs cause offheal and dps pretty much counter themselves and you will either lack important dps or healing abilities to make it good.

Full dps builds are kind of glass but not so cannon builds since summoner dps isnt as good in dps as for example mages/bards/warriors. You will be useful in astral/welebell/raids as dps with AoP buff but on the other side with low survival and dependance on healer. It will be harder to farm with if you have bad gear cause it doesent have much heal and defense but if you plan to just kill some random lvl 60 mobs it probably could do the job. You might want to take master summoner rubies later on if your pet dies more often. Never PvP with this

Full dps

And last option is to play as full healer. FH build will make your leveling slower since it has low dmg but you will most likely never die with it though. This build has very good survival and it is possible to farm with it if you like to play as safe as possible but with more time consumed with low gear. FH build is also very good in endgame and you will find groups easier since people always need healers for astral/welebell etc.
Can be also played in PvP if you wish so but summoner is so paper that the difference between PvP/FH build isnt any big and thats why I rather take full PvP build there instead (and not to mention that I hate to be fh ). Again you might want master summoner rubies if you have some extra.

Full healer

Hope this helped

Quoted from "redcenterdot"

I'm basically starting from scratch and I don't intend to spend a lot of money this time around. I plan on gaining stuff the "hard" way and I am well aware that this method will take a lot of time and patience. Nevertheless, I'm still willing to tough it out as I am not in a hurry to reach end game.

Fundamental question is: "Little money or none at all?" Answer to it pretty much defines how you want to spec.

If you want to spend absolutely NO money at all and just get everything the hard way, you can forget about grouping right off the bat (groups will only get mad they have to drag someone with level 1-3 runes). In that case make a pure farming build, for absolutely best gold/hour efficiency and use crafted gear until you farm enough gold to get some basic runes (at least 5 imo). Yes it will suck in any group activity, but if you want to only use in-game gold to progress you're pretty much forced to do that until you get greatness.

What dracias said. While you're levelling, a standard vamp pvp build is awesome. Once you get to max lvl, you've got some decisions to make. Everyone else has covered this pretty thoroughly so I won't rehash their ground.

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I don't intend to spend a lot of money this time around.

if you are ok for being cannon fodder for this season, you can try. (i.e. 1 year)

Quoted from "redcenterdot"

Quoted from "Autopsyst"

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I don't intend to spend a lot of money this time around.

if you are ok for being cannon fodder for this season, you can try. (i.e. 1 year)

Kindly elaborate, if you don't mind.

(S)He is basically saying that if you don't spend a reasonable amount of money "you will just be cannon fodder for a year."
Like...that you'll not be able to participate, reasonably well, in many aspects of the game. Especially PvP.
Many people have 7-8-9-10-11 runes. Some even have level 12 and 13 runes.

A full set of level 7 runes (from nothing) would take roughly...
[Using these parameters:
...Farming gold at 30 gold per minute
...Buying CCs at optimal price (minus sale) 450 crystals for 100 crystal chips = 4.5 crystals each
...Purchasing CCs with gold at a 58:1 crystal ratio
...You are required 6348 crystal chips
...6348 total chips * 4.5 crystals each * 58 gold each = 1,656,828 gold
...1,656,828 gold / 30 gold per minute = 55228 minutes
...55228 minutes / 60 minutes = 920.5 hours
...920.5 hours / 24 hours = 38.4 days

That is how much farming you need to do to get a full set of level 7 runes from nothing, with no cash.
There are MAAAAAAAAAAANY other items that add up to probably even MORE than a set of level 7 runes you need "to be competitive."

Therefore, count on about 80 DAYS of farming (24 HOUR PERIODS OF FARMING) to be 'at the low end of competitive.'

I'm not trying to scare you by any means...just giving realistic numbers I hope you can use!

Good luck and I'll see you in game hopefully.

http://en.allodswiki.ru/calc/#!4!332...3…cypmmnd/CXGARAG my idea of a lvling build, hellion is good until lvl 45-50 it won't lose agro, after is better to use lurker, but at that point making gold to respec won't be a problem

as gold making : 80 days of farming are more than enough, i started to play on Tenssess too, no cs at all and getting decent runes/pat 5 took me max 6 months of playing max 6 hrs per day so it's totally doable

i know that lvl 6 runes cost around 40-50 euros

Quoted from "redcenterdot"

@Hclftw

To be honest, I appreciate your effort to provide a detailed albeit concise breakdown of the magnitude of the endeavor...

I have a couple of questions though.

1) If I decide to spend cash to fund those 7-7-7 / 7-7-7 runes, how much would it cost me in $?
2) Would it suffice to spend just that and farm the rest of the necessities?
3) Which faction has the most low-mid levels?

No problem.

USING A 58:1 GEM SHARD RATIO FOR THIS ENTIRE MATH EXPEDITION BY THE WAY!!!!!

1) 28560 crystals.
...which means 2856 euros
...which means 392 USD
[Jesus that sounds like a lot...is that right?......]
{Yep...just checked the math again...it's right...]
2) That would certainly help a lot. Would it suffice? Yes, it will get you on your feet and make farming at 30g/minute or more a possibility, without those runes...you'll be farming at 20-22gpm. But it will not make you COMPETITIVE. You NEED to have other items that are available in game like...

Extra earring slot
Necessary
[Green]: 2,500g or 43 crystals or .43 euros or .59 USD
[Blue]: 15,000g or 259 crystals or 2.59 euros or 3.55 USD
Luxury
[Epic]: 150,000g or 2586 crystals or 35.42 USD
[Legend]: 1,350,000 or 23276 crystals or 318.88 USD

Trinket
Necessary
[Blue]: 2,500g or 43 crystals or .43 euros or .59 USD
[Epic]: 15,000g or 259 crystals or 2.59 euros or 3.55 USD
Luxury
[Legend]: 150,000g or 2586 crystals 25.86 euros or 35.42 USD
[Mythic]: 1,350,000g or 23276 crystals 232.76 euros or 318.88 USD

Carnifex Scrolls
Necessary
[Green]: 10,000g or 172 crystals or 1.72 euros or 2.36 USD
Luxury
[Blue]: 100,000g or 1724 crystals or 17.24 euros or 23.62 USD
[Epic]: 400,000g or 6897 crystals or 68.97 euros or 94.49 USD
[Legend]: 3,000,000g or 51724 crystals or 517.24 euros or 708.62 USD

Talent scrolls
Necessary
[Blue]: 7,500g or 129 crystals or 1.29 euros or 1.77 USD
Almost Necessary
[Epic]: 65,000g or 1121 crystals or 11.21 euros 15.36 USD
Luxury
[Legend]: 550,000g or 9483 crystals or 94.83 euros or 129.92 USD

Ruby scrolls
Necessary
[White]: 2,500g or 43 crystals or .43 euros or .59 USD
[Green]: 15,000g or 259 crystals or 2.59 euros or 3.55 USD
Luxury
[Blue]: 150,000g or 2586 crystals or 25.86 euros or 35.42 USD
[Epic]: 1,500,000g or 25862 crystals 258.62 euros or 354.31 USD
[Legend]: Impossible to get

Mount(s)
Necessary
[Cheapie slow/noncombat]: 5800g or 100 crystals or 1.00 euros or 1.37 USD
Really, Really Close To Necessary
[Cheaper - fast/combat]: 375,000g or 6465 crystals or 64.65 euros or 88.57 USD
Luxury
[Expensive - fast/combat]: 1,300,000g or 22413.79 crystals or 224.14 euros or 307.07 USD

Patronage level 5
Really, Really Close To Necessary...Like 95% Necessary
[Can be purchased in small amounts at a time...however full price:]
678,020g or 11690 crystals or 116.90 euros or 160.15 USD

Stat scrolls (offensive)
Necessary
[White]: 4,000g or 69 crystals or .69 euros or .95 USD
[Green]: 22,500g or 388 crystals or 3.88 euros or 5.32 USD
Luxury
[Blue]: 175,000g or 3017 crystals or 30.17 euros or 41.33 USD
[Epic]: 1,500,000g or 25862 crystals or 258.63 euros USD

Stat scrolls (defensive)
Necessary
[Green]: 2,500g or 43 crystals or .43 euros or .59 USD
[Blue]: 15,000g or 259 crystals or 2.59 euros or 3.55 USD
Luxury
[Epic]: 120,000g or 2586 crystals or 25.86 euros or 35.42 USD
[Legend]: 1,200,000g or 20690 crystals 206.90 euros or 283.45 USD

Mount scrolls
Necessary
[Green]: 400g or 7 crystals or .07 euros or .10 USD
[Blue]: 3,750g or 65 crystals or .65 euros or .89 USD
Luxury
[Epic]: 35,000g or 603 crystals or 6.03 euros or 8.26 USD
[Legend]: 175,000g or 3017 crystals or 30.17 euros or 41.33 USD

Ability to purchase elixirs and potions when necessary (like raids or high level astral)
Necessary
[Price per elixir]: 1160g or 20 crystals or .2 euros or .27 USD
Speaking of elixirs...you [most of the time] need two of them, one offensive and one defensive.
Potions run around 150-200g which is fairly cheap.

So I came up with a few totals...Unfortunately I cannot add in the recurring cost of constant elixirs and potions + upgrades...so there is much more of a gold cost than what I am showing you, I am just showing you the one time cost of CS items you'll never need to repurchase.
PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THE COST OF RUNES IS NOT INCLUDED IN ANY OF THE BELOW

Necessary Total (No Patronage Level 5):
Gold: 118,950
Crystals: 2051
Euros: 20.51
USD: 28.10
Hours Needed to Farm: 60.08
Days Needed to Farm: 2.75

Necessary Total (Includes Patronage Level 5):
Gold: 796,970
Crystals: 13741
Euros: 137.41
USD: 188.25
Hours Needed to Farm: 442.76
Days Needed to Farm: 18.45

Necessary Total + Medium Level Luxury Total:
Gold: 2,471,170
Crystals: 42606
Euros: 426.06
USD: 583.71
Hours Needed to Farm: 1372.87
Days Needed to Farm: 57.20

Absolute Top Tier Total:
Gold: 13,731,170
Crystals: 236744
Euros: 2367.44
USD: 3243.40
Hours Needed to Farm: 7628.43
Days Needed to Farm: 317.85
^ Absolute Top Tier: Does not include EX: green/blue/epic ear slot, it will only include legend if it's an item like that.

Also...sorry I probably forgot something to add in here.

Best of luck!

P.S. I've been doing this for damn near close to 2 hours...so I'm really tired. Sorry if I forgot anything that should have been added in! If someone notices something...please tell me and I'll update the list(s)!

Ah-ha! I already realized I totally forgot to answer question number 3!
3) I have no idea.

my god those are scary numbers when you look at them like that.

Quoted from "reeah19"

http://en.allodswiki.ru/calc/#!4!332...3…cypmmnd/CXGARAG my idea of a lvling build, hellion is good until lvl 45-50 it won't lose agro, after is better to use lurker, but at that point making gold to respec won't be a problem

as gold making : 80 days of farming are more than enough, i started to play on Tenssess too, no cs at all and getting decent runes/pat 5 took me max 6 months of playing max 6 hrs per day so it's totally doable

i know that lvl 6 runes cost around 40-50 euros

kinda similiar to what I meant with that hellion acid build

http://en.allodswiki.ru/calc#!4!232...33…knnomnd/GRQCHGF

but ye I would stick with lurker still I guess

edit: oh I didnt write it there :d was writing about acid/hellion leveling build but then deleted it coz found it quite bad to even mention

is bad as damage but if he/she starts with lvl 1 runes will need hellion for backup