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21. 05. 2014, 14:24

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Edit: 8/7/14 Prices not currently "exactly" correct in regards to runes. When I get the time I will update the prices to reflect the changes in CCs that happened recently.

A returning player asked about how much time and or currency they needed to play this game and play it competitively.
I responded.

Someone else said:

If you don't mind being cannon fodder for the first year of playing, then you'll be fine.

The OP asked:

If you don't mind, kindly elaborate.

My response:

(S)He is basically saying that if you don't spend a reasonable amount of money "you will just be cannon fodder for a year."
Like...that you'll not be able to participate, reasonably well, in many aspects of the game. Especially PvP.
Many people have 7-8-9-10-11 runes. Some even have level 12 and 13 runes.

A full set of level 7 runes (from nothing) would take roughly...
[Using these parameters:
...Farming gold at 30 gold per minute
...Buying CCs at optimal price (minus sale) 450 crystals for 100 crystal chips = 4.5 crystals each
...Purchasing CCs with gold at a 58:1 crystal ratio
...You are required 3258 crystal chips
...3300 total chips * 4.5 crystals each * 58 gold each = 861,300 gold
...7,160,064 gold dust /100,000 * 850 gold ( I don't have the exact correct number on this since I'm at work) = 60860 gold
...922,160 gold / 30 gold per minute = 30739 minutes
...55228 minutes / 60 minutes = 512.3 hours
...512.3 hours / 24 hours = 21.3 days]

That is how much farming you need to do to get a full set of level 7 runes from nothing, with no cash.
There are MAAAAAAAAAAANY other items that add up to probably even MORE than a set of level 7 runes you need "to be competitive."

Therefore, count on about 55 DAYS of farming (24 HOUR PERIODS OF FARMING) to be 'at the low end of competitive.'

I'm not trying to scare you by any means...just giving realistic numbers I hope you can use!

Good luck and I'll see you in game hopefully. :)

QUESTIONS ASKED:
@Hclftw

To be honest, I appreciate your effort to provide a detailed albeit concise breakdown of the magnitude of the endeavor...

I have a couple of questions though.

1) If I decide to spend cash to fund those 7-7-7 / 7-7-7 runes, how much would it cost me in $?
2) Would it suffice to spend just that and farm the rest of the necessities?
3) Which faction has the most low-mid levels?


My response:

No problem.

USING A 58:1 GEM SHARD RATIO FOR THIS ENTIRE MATH EXPEDITION BY THE WAY!!!!!

1) 15899 crystals.
...which means 158.99 euros
...which means 217.82 USD

2)
That would certainly help a lot. Would it suffice? Yes, it will get you
on your feet and make farming at 30g/minute or more a possibility,
without those runes...you'll be farming at 20-22gpm. But it will not
make you COMPETITIVE. You NEED to have other items that are available in
game like...

Extra earring slot
Necessary
[Green]: 2,500g or 43 crystals or .43 euros or .59 USD
[Blue]: 15,000g or 259 crystals or 2.59 euros or 3.55 USD
Luxury
[Epic]: 150,000g or 2586 crystals or 35.42 USD
[Legend]: 1,350,000 or 23276 crystals or 318.88 USD

Trinket
Necessary
[Blue]: 2,500g or 43 crystals or .43 euros or .59 USD
[Epic]: 15,000g or 259 crystals or 2.59 euros or 3.55 USD
Luxury
[Legend]: 150,000g or 2586 crystals 25.86 euros or 35.42 USD
[Mythic]: 1,350,000g or 23276 crystals 232.76 euros or 318.88 USD

Carnifex Scrolls
Necessary
[Green]: 10,000g or 172 crystals or 1.72 euros or 2.36 USD
Luxury
[Blue]: 100,000g or 1724 crystals or 17.24 euros or 23.62 USD
[Epic]: 400,000g or 6897 crystals or 68.97 euros or 94.49 USD
[Legend]: 3,000,000g or 51724 crystals or 517.24 euros or 708.62 USD

Talent scrolls
Necessary
[Blue]: 7,500g or 129 crystals or 1.29 euros or 1.77 USD
Almost Necessary
[Epic]: 65,000g or 1121 crystals or 11.21 euros 15.36 USD
Luxury
[Legend]: 550,000g or 9483 crystals or 94.83 euros or 129.92 USD

Ruby scrolls
Necessary
[White]: 2,500g or 43 crystals or .43 euros or .59 USD
[Green]: 15,000g or 259 crystals or 2.59 euros or 3.55 USD
Luxury
[Blue]: 150,000g or 2586 crystals or 25.86 euros or 35.42 USD
[Epic]: 1,500,000g or 25862 crystals 258.62 euros or 354.31 USD
[Legend]: Impossible to get

Mount(s)
Necessary
[Cheapie slow/noncombat]: 5800g or 100 crystals or 1.00 euros or 1.37 USD
Really, Really Close To Necessary
[Cheaper - fast/combat]: 375,000g or 6465 crystals or 64.65 euros or 88.57 USD
Luxury
[Expensive - fast/combat]: 1,300,000g or 22413.79 crystals or 224.14 euros or 307.07 USD

Patronage level 5
Really, Really Close To Necessary...Like 95% Necessary
[Can be purchased in small amounts at a time...however full price:]
678,020g or 11690 crystals or 116.90 euros or 160.15 USD

Stat scrolls (offensive)
Necessary
[White]: 4,000g or 69 crystals or .69 euros or .95 USD
[Green]: 22,500g or 388 crystals or 3.88 euros or 5.32 USD
Luxury
[Blue]: 175,000g or 3017 crystals or 30.17 euros or 41.33 USD
[Epic]: 1,500,000g or 25862 crystals or 258.63 euros USD

Stat scrolls (defensive)
Necessary
[Green]: 2,500g or 43 crystals or .43 euros or .59 USD
[Blue]: 15,000g or 259 crystals or 2.59 euros or 3.55 USD
Luxury
[Epic]: 120,000g or 2586 crystals or 25.86 euros or 35.42 USD
[Legend]: 1,200,000g or 20690 crystals 206.90 euros or 283.45 USD

Mount scrolls
Necessary
[Green]: 400g or 7 crystals or .07 euros or .10 USD
[Blue]: 3,750g or 65 crystals or .65 euros or .89 USD
Luxury
[Epic]: 35,000g or 603 crystals or 6.03 euros or 8.26 USD
[Legend]: 175,000g or 3017 crystals or 30.17 euros or 41.33 USD

Ability to purchase elixirs and potions when necessary (like raids or high level astral)
Necessary
[Price per elixir]: 1160g or 20 crystals or .2 euros or .27 USD
Speaking of elixirs...you [most of the time] need two of them, one offensive and one defensive.
Potions run around 150-200g which is fairly cheap.

So
I came up with a few totals...Unfortunately I cannot add in the
recurring cost of constant elixirs and potions + upgrades...so there is
much more of a gold cost than what I am showing you, I am just showing
you the one time cost of CS items you'll never need to repurchase.
PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THE COST OF RUNES IS NOT INCLUDED IN ANY OF THE BELOW

Necessary Total (No Patronage Level 5):

Gold: 118,950
Crystals: 2051
Euros: 20.51
USD: 28.10
Hours Needed to Farm: 60.08
Days Needed to Farm: 2.75

Necessary Total (Includes Patronage Level 5):
Gold: 796,970
Crystals: 13741
Euros: 137.41
USD: 188.25
Hours Needed to Farm: 442.76
Days Needed to Farm: 18.45

Necessary Total + Medium Level Luxury Total:
Gold: 2,471,170
Crystals: 42606
Euros: 426.06
USD: 583.71
Hours Needed to Farm: 1372.87
Days Needed to Farm: 57.20

Absolute Top Tier Total:
Gold: 13,731,170
Crystals: 236744
Euros: 2367.44
USD: 3243.40
Hours Needed to Farm: 7628.43
Days Needed to Farm: 317.85
^ Absolute Top Tier: Does not include EX: green/blue/epic ear slot, it will only include legend if it's an item like that.

Also...sorry I probably forgot something to add in here.

Best of luck!

P.S.
I've been doing this for damn near close to 2 hours...so I'm really
tired. Sorry if I forgot anything that should have been added in! If
someone notices something...please tell me and I'll update the list(s)!

Ah-ha! I already realized I totally forgot to answer question number 3!
3) I have no idea. :)

This post has been edited 3 times, last edit by "Hclftw" (07.08.2014, 19:05)


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21. 05. 2014, 14:31

lol there is a resolution, one that many players have used, but its against the tos of allods

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21. 05. 2014, 15:13

This is a game for long-term players and everything in it is balanced accordingly - meaning progress is SLOW. So any new player pondering joining in should ask himself:

"Do I intend to play this game for years to come?"

If the answer is "no" then don't even bother starting, just forget you found any information about this game ever existing. That's it.

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21. 05. 2014, 15:48

I think where you wrote 2856 euro, you meant 285 euro. Other than that - the math is much appreciated.
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21. 05. 2014, 15:51

why are you complaining if there's a subscription server there?
players are balanced there and they are coming back to play it with active guilds.

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21. 05. 2014, 15:53

why are you complaining if there's a subscription server there?
players are balanced there and they are coming back to play it with active guilds.


I am not complaining, I am telling people how it really is. Even on subscription server, this game simply isn't designed to go off and then back on, you are way behind on progress if you do that, and with 5.0 there are no more Astral Map Replicas that allowed catching up in reasonable time.

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21. 05. 2014, 16:10

why are you complaining if there's a subscription server there?
players are balanced there and they are coming back to play it with active guilds.

Players are balanced in DOTA. Here, it is all about progression over time, and the more time you invest, the more you will progress. Subscription is no exception. The difference is that on the f2p, time=money. :D
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21. 05. 2014, 16:14

i've reached lvl 60 since 2 months ago (and i quit playing for weeks but i'm back now) and i'm top dps sometimes when i'm on full party to do wellebell or astral on subs server, and all i have is blue lvl 59 equips, rare glyphs and 4 eipc glyphs (even in pt with 23k gearscore players with greatness completed, gearscore on subs server aren't that high), and that's all, my gearscore is 21k something...i don't play a lot, i have fun, we usually do astral or anomalous sector, it's not that bad on subs server but people still prefers the hard way on f2p

I don't pay a cent for that

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21. 05. 2014, 16:15

why are you complaining if there's a subscription server there?
players are balanced there and they are coming back to play it with active guilds.

Players are balanced in DOTA. Here, it is all about progression over time, and the more time you invest, the more you will progress. Subscription is no exception. The difference is that on the f2p, time=money. :D

so, on p2p server players are balanced. there's no much difference, i get my blue equips in one day and blue glyphs in 2 weeks....

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21. 05. 2014, 16:17

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I think where you wrote 2856 euro, you meant 285 euro. Other than that - the math is much appreciated.

Thanks! Fixed!


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21. 05. 2014, 19:03

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The math is much appreciated. I assume you used the medium crystal chip/gold dust ratio. By reducing the crystal chips used (by -7 counter) and having to use more gold dust you end up saving 50% of the gold. (check this link to see for yourself.) I selected 261g each crystal chip as the price because:

100 cc costs 450 gem shards, 450 gem shards with 58g each cost 26100 gold, resulting in 1 cc for 261g. That results in cutting down the gem shard amount down to 15775

By saving 50% on the estimated rune upgrade price, you can afford other listed items, firstly - a bigger bag and some mount. :)
Blindoz
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This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Luka" (21.05.2014, 19:10)


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21. 05. 2014, 19:18

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I'm not 100% sure what you're asking.
I used 261g:1cc as my ratio, using lots of gold dust and much less CC.
I used -7 on all of them except the one that is the same for -6 and -7.
Hopefully that answers your question.


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21. 05. 2014, 19:42

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I don't even know then.. your results seem to be made with 0 cc/gold dust ratio really.. :/ (click here )
Blindoz
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And so on..

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21. 05. 2014, 19:45

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dafuq.......
Lemme get that calc and I'll redo the post after I check the legitimacy of the calculator.

However, my initial calculation did seem high to me...as I said "Jesus that sounds really high...is that right?"
So...aside from the runes maybe costing more than they should...the prices are right though.
I just need to find a better rune calc or something.
Wtb Avarien's rune calc site back.


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21. 05. 2014, 19:58

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dafuq.......
Lemme get that calc and I'll redo the post after I check the legitimacy of the calculator.

You are a Godsend.


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21. 05. 2014, 20:07

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Citation

I don't even know then.. your results seem to be made with 0 cc/gold dust ratio really.. :/ (click here )
I fixed the original post.
Thank you for noticing my mistake.


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21. 05. 2014, 20:32

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Great info
Awesome to see you still lurking Meslow.
I'm still hoping you come back some day! :)


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21. 05. 2014, 23:27

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for those who can't afford paying every month on subscription and have a lot of free time playing on f2p and buying everything with gold is ok, takes pretty much time but is totally doable, you won't be combarable with those with lvl 13 runes and full cs but you won't suck if you get 7s or 8s

great job making this, very helpful for newbies
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