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Quoted from "Intoshadows"

*Is alchemy a viable profession in Allods? Is it worth it as a new 60 to go back and level the profession up?

its the most viable profession in allods since all kinds of potions are non permanent and thus there is always the need for more, while the useful things from the craftinprofessions are -time usage and so its cheaper and better to just buy from someone theoretically

Quoted from "Intoshadows"

As an extension of the above questions, what kind of investment(gold and time) should I expect to get alchemy maxed?

depends on whether you pick the herbs manually or buy the looter-instructions (-> autocollect herbs, i STRONGLY recommend that)
in summary over long time its worth it

Quoted from "Intoshadows"

*What kind of return can I expect to make on said investment in comparison to the cost associated with leveling it?

- boosting your chars temporary
- get & sell amalgam (however for selfuse tkarik seems better!)
- sell potions on AH to get gold
- sometimes ppl make worldshouts the buy for example 500x health potion or something, thats also an attractive goldsource for some alchemists

Quoted from "Intoshadows"

*And finally,what it the best way to utilize the alchemy profession for making gold? What potions/elixirs can I create that sell well? Will I have access to gaining more amalgam than if I otherwise didn't have the alchemy profession?

proficiency & brutality potions, HP and mana potions are the best-selling i think
you can also sell the amalgam, but i personally think there are better ways of getting gold (except you sell the amalgam for high price ofc, but thats hard since many ppl sell)

you are welcome

As far as I know they are all the same - looters that is. The Aviater and Basket are just newer (fancier), thus more expensive. The Magpie was the very first and only loot pet for quite some time. They all need the extra handbooks from boutique in order to collect herbs and/or minerals. The pet alone only collects loots from mob kills. (Now days there's a cheaper option "Helpers Manuals" to buy both books at once at 950 crystals when buying them separately would cost 1200 crystals. But if you are sure you'll only ever need it for herbs, then you should get the Tops and Roots manual at 600 crystals. However, all of your current or future reincarnations gets the looter pet and its abilities open, thus I personally recommend the Helpers Manual pack.)

As far as professions go in Allods, none of them are truly essential considering the benefits versus costs, although they've become a lot more useful during the game's development. As far as alchemy goes, it's a really expensive profession (I know, because I've always had it on every toon and its a real gold sink to level and use.)

What comes to leveling alchemy... it's the quickest one to level time wise as you get herbs from every zone that can be used in multiple potions no matter of the potion level unlike crafting professions - blacksmithing, leatherworking, tailoring, weaponsmithing - that need materials from specific zones for certain levels and need to produce different materials from the ores/leathers/cloths to actually make stuff. But alchemy also drains gold like a tick sucks blood because the solvents that are costly after level 40. Vendoring the potions you make while leveling earns you probably less than 100 golds from level 1 to 60 while you'll be using several thousand golds making them. At the same time there's really no market for low level potions either.

Considering the usefulness and gold making, AO-player pretty much summed everything up and I agree with the amalgam part too - selling them in AH after a lengthy mob farming to actually produce them with the current competition (everyone does it) is a waste of good playtime until you're so geared that you single shot all mobs.

Quoted from "Gwiniel"

until you're so geared that you single shot all mobs.

even then there is a HUGE problem: there is a cooldown on the extractor! this is what killed amalgam quest for me

Quoted from "Intoshadows"

Btw, what's the difference between the Magpie, The Aviater and The Basket? Are they all Lootpets? I see they cost different though?

The Basket? do you mean the fairy? whatever, all loothelpers are the same technically
its only different look / animation / sound... so i recommend get the bird (cheapest)

Quoted from "Gwiniel"

But alchemy also drains gold like a tick sucks blood because the solvents that are costly after level 40. Vendoring the potions you make while leveling earns you probably less than 100 golds from level 1 to 60 while you'll be using several thousand golds making them. At the same time there's really no market for low level potions either.

have you leveled your alchemy BEFORE the crafting patch? because before they improved the crafting it was really a gold-drain like nothing else
but now, where the prices went down so much and gold is blown into your.... pocket... its almost cheap to level it

another protip: there are improvements for the mortars... they seem expensive at 1st, but, BUY ALL OF THEM! this is NOT a good way to save gold... because you will make less successful pots without them and thus lose more gold in the end

Quoted from "ALLODS-ONLINE-PLAYER"

have you leveled your alchemy BEFORE the crafting patch? because before they improved the crafting it was really a gold-drain like nothing else
but now, where the prices went down so much and gold is blown into your.... pocket... its almost cheap to level it

With Gwin, yes, but with incarns it has been this patch and it still drains gold like hell. I strongly disagree with the easy gold gain that all GEARED ppl say it is. It's not that, if you aren't geared enough or don't have the best build for it (nor have double build open or perma VOD) or a good guild or good friends. It's not impossible but it's no way near as easy as some people say it is.

Quoted from "Intoshadows"

You guys are great! Thanks for all of the advice.

I'm not sure yet, at what point I am going to undertake the task of leveling alchemy, I may put my focus more on growing my runes and farming gold for the Lootpet and a few other little goodies and do alchemy a little bit later on when gold is more comfortable for me.

Honestly, from a pure f2p player's perspective, levelling alchemy is *THE* first thing you should do after hitting level cap, sink all your leveling gold into that if you must, it IS well worth it. It will be your go-to method of obtaining gold for everything else.

Amalgam quest turns far quicker profit than any of the recently added "gold farming" activities even with the cooldown.

Only thing I could imagine being faster farming is if you get an overpowered team for battlegrounds consistently and win back-to-back every single time with the perfect outcome, utterly crushing the opposing side (like capping all 3 points in WH). However, that is by no means real and even if it was, the weekly cap would kick in.

Since the 5.0.1 gold and gray item drop nerf, having alchemy maxed is in fact way more important than even having the loot pet.

Quoted from "Intoshadows"

I really like farming mobs(REALLY enjoy it!!) but it seems the developers of Allods do not want that to be a gold source anymore unfortunately.

Sad panda bear, as farming mobs is my favorite thing to do in games =(

For a moment I thought I am alone on this

Quoted from "Dala"

Amalgam quest turns far quicker profit than any of the recently added "gold farming" activities even with the cooldown.

Only thing I could imagine being faster farming is if you get an overpowered team for battlegrounds consistently and win back-to-back every single time with the perfect outcome, utterly crushing the opposing side (like capping all 3 points in WH). However, that is by no means real and even if it was, the weekly cap would kick in.

I juuuuust gotta ask, have you tried/heard of goblinball?
i got 6x 60 levels, and by doin the first victory with all of them daily is well around 6x gold symbol as in 6x1800g...
So i just wanna comment when ppl say something is "best" "fastest" way to farm... show me a way where u farm faster than a gold symbol in 10minutes (of crs its not 100% victory always), but me for myself , i can play goboball, i can ignore the nabs and the rages and just play, i can take a lose, ill forward the "FUUUUUuuuuu" Nness to next game and win that with the anger

Quoted from "Duelya"

juuuuust gotta ask, have you tried/heard of goblinball?
i got 6x 60 levels, and by doin the first victory with all of them daily is well around 6x gold symbol as in 6x1800g...
So i just wanna comment when ppl say something is "best" "fastest" way to farm... show me a way where u farm faster than a gold symbol in 10minutes (of crs its not 100% victory always), but me for myself , i can play goboball, i can ignore the nabs and the rages and just play, i can take a lose, ill forward the "FUUUUUuuuuu" Nness to next game and win that with the anger

That is relying on other people not failing and here is the flaw.

A symbol of gold is about the same as one Amalgam Concentrate, if getting a symbol of gold takes you 10 minutes when you win, you are ahead if you win three times, you can afford one loss for it to be equal still, if you lose more than once you're behind.

Not sure if you count the 10 minutes with queue time or not, because if it's 10 minutes + queue, then it's even worse.

Quoted from "Gwiniel"

I strongly disagree with the easy gold gain that all GEARED ppl say it is. It's not that, if you aren't geared enough or don't have the best build for it (nor have double build open or perma VOD) or a good guild or good friends. It's not impossible but it's no way near as easy as some people say it is.

i was not geared at all for a long time, and when i was farming heavily i also had NO dualspec... perma-VOD was only a dream at this time for me
the only thing i did was beeing in farming spec all time
until now, where farming is weakedned so much, beeing in farming spec was the BEST thing to do, because leveling and farming is similar and while you can still do alomost everything with a farming spec you cannot do farimng with some other specs

NOW, with new KOE, tkarik etc you dont even need a farming spec any longer, you can be in pvpspec all the time and still gain gold like a boss, even on undergeared chars (some of mine are ~ 23.000!)
farming wellebell does not require any special spec and so does not any other relevant content...

thats why i say its so easy now
even a friend of mine with only full level 2 runes gains his 5000 gold / day... and he is NOT playing all the day

Quoted from "Intoshadows"

I just wanted to report back to update what I have learned especially for any new players that may be considering Alchemy as a profession.

Thank you so much for getting back on this! So often findings and experiences aren't reported. You saved someone a lot of trouble or convinced a patient person to hang in there and what to focus on. Good job!

i agree here, getting feedback is a nice thing

Did someone notice about getting less amalgam this days with "the highest art of alchemy" or it's just me?